Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.

On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.

You are wrong!

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html

On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.

You may well be right that AM IBOC will spell the end of analog AM,
but it seems even more likely to me that, if AM IBOC does come to rule
the AM BCB, then the AM BCB is doomed for purely commercial reasons.
I'm sure that AM IBOC stations understand that they're not going to
take on their FM counterparts. The only thing that will change in an
AM IBOC world is that the audience will become exclusively local and
all of the infomercials will be broadcast in high fidelity. It's hard
to imagine a more efficient means of commercial suicide.

"Rfburns" wrote in message
oups.com...
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio.

I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've
succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light
on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to
take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who
have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant
numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money
come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios?

There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance. Consumers have a long
track record of preferring cheap radios. Most people don't think a HD radio
is worth one or two hundred bucks more than a regular radio. But plenty of
people will chance it for five bucks. And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD.

So it would make perfect sense for ibiquity to offer a bargain basement FM
only IBOC chipset.

Why not? Oh, I get it. It's that "perfect sense" part.



And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

Let's hope that ibiquity sees itself in lockstep with the inevitable march
of history. There's always room for more inflexible knotheads in the
dustbin.


So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


The status quo is doomed, whether it's from IBOC or individualized media or
whatever.

Frank Dresser

On Sep 19, 8:08 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

oups.com...

Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio.

I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've
succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light
on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to
take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who
have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant
numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money
come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios?

There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

- Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance.
- Consumers have a long track record of preferring cheap radios.
- Most people don't think a HD radio is worth one or two hundred
- bucks more than a regular radio.
- But plenty of people will chance it for five bucks.
- And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD.

FD
The vast majority of Consumers buy Low Cost Kitchen Radios
and Bedside Radio Alarm Clocks.

All The FCC Had To Do / All the FCC Has To Do is Mandate
that All 'new' Consumer and Automotive AM/FM Radios sold
in the USA are IBOC {Analog and Digital} Compliant by a
Certain Date [.]

Then over time IBOC will be forced upon the Consumer and
Automotive Drivers.

IMHO - It is Automotive Drivers via New Car/Truck purchases
that are 'naturally transitioned' into New Radio Technologies.

An IBOC "HD" Radio in every Car/Truck for Drive Time Radio
Listeners to Listen To : Will Get These Radio Listeners To
Want An IBOC "HD" Radio In Their Homes and At The Office.

IBOC FM "HD" Radio 'fits' the FM Radio Band Plan
and should be accepted by Consumer over time as
a better mode of Radio Enjoyable FM Radio Listening.

IBOC AM/MW "HD" Radio does not 'fit' the AM/MW Radio
Band Plan and may fail; without a major revision to the
AM/MW Radio Band Plan :
* Fewer AM/MW Radio Stations with the Migration
of most of the AM/MW Band Radio Stations to the
FM Radio Band.
* Greater Channel Spacing : 25 kHz vice 10 kHz
* More Uniform Digital Broadcast Signal Power for all
AM/MW Digital Radio Stations 500 to 2500 Watts (1:5)
vice the Analog scheme of 1000 to 50,000 Watts (1:50)
Note this puts the Locals at 500/1000 ~50% of their
original Analog ERP -and- the Clear Channels at
2500/50000 ~ 5% of their original Analog ERP making
them Regional Broadcastes.

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
ups.com...



And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?

I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.


Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.

Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.


And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?


You're kidding, right?


Frank Dresser

On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

Frank Dresser

I think you're dead right here. Looks to me like IBOC was practically
designed as a first step toward pay radio.

Steve

On Sep 20, 12:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...



And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?

I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.

Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.

Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.

And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?

You're kidding, right?

Frank Dresser

FD - IBOC Crock is a Strand-Up Guy :
Obsessed by His Own Humor ~ RHF

On Sep 18, 9:36 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.

RF Burns,

Yes FM "HD" Radio will drag AM/MW "HD" Radio
along for the ride into a 'new age' of Digital {IBOC}
Radio Broadcasting.

~ RHF

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.