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On Sep 25, 1:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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1. Receptor is not a portable.He says it it.


iBiquity says it is.


Give me a break. It is one roughly 10" by 5" by 6" box, with a power cord,
connected to a half size box with the second speaker via a cable. The
battery in it is to hold memory on the clock and presets, and does not run
the radio. Together, the two boxes weigh about 4 to 5 lbs.



Be sure to make this argument to iBiquity. I'm sure they'll be all
ears.




2. He lied about HD Alliance ad expenditure


Merely exposed your ignorance.


There was no expenditure... only contributed time by each Alliance station.



Oh, there were expenditures...vast ones.




3. He is clueless about cost of going HD vs. normal engineering capital
items.


As are all the major proponents of HD, in that case.


For FMs, the cost of conversion in a top 100 market as a percentage of the
technical budget is small. For AMs that are viable, the same applies.


You'd better tell that to the HD Alliance. Sounds like they're going
to learn a lot of surprising things from you.


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On Sep 24, 9:58 am, "Frank Dresser"
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I like this response:


Anonymous said...


Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB.
They are doing serious damage to our once great industry.


Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well
sign the stations off.


September 21, 2007 3:04 PM


Hmmmmm...


That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at
least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions
on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD
radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio
before adaquate mass market radios were available.

HD radio might not have been designed to fail, but it sure doesn't look like
the smart guys have thought out the elements of success, either.

But now we have a FCC decision which will mark the latest first start date
in which very important things got fixed. Inexpensive low power consumption
chips are in the pipeline and I'll bet these new, improved chips are
subscription radio ready.

Frank Dresser


HD TV according to a recent article in Hearing Loss Magazine does not
support Closed Captioning very well. Even though the FCC has mandated
twice that all new televisions MUST run closed captioning. I think
the television manufacturers are more concerned with getting the
product out there than with making sure they meet FCC regulations.

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On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote:


Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.


Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying
much.


The receptor, of course, is not portable.

Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe
they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected
before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market.


We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year.


I see, so what you are saying is that it took them 4 freaking times to
get it right. That raises the question of just how good this 4th
generation is going to be.

iBiquity, with the nth generation HD chip set, which expires in six
months.

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On Sep 25, 10:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote:

Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.

Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying
much.

The receptor, of course, is not portable.


Explain that to iBiquity and report back.




Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe
they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected
before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market.

We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year.


Right. That's the one that Samsung says will be extremely expensive.


Everything released says that the chip will be lower cost, and nothing says
anything to the contrary.


You don't understand the ASIC semiconductor industry at all do you.

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On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his
and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are
unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed
in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season.

I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones
out
there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones
will
come sometime in mid-2008.


Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.


It's not a portable.


What? Have you tired of dragging around that diehard car battery already?

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On Sep 25, 9:53 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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True - there are more than enough AM/FM stations without the need for
simulcasting.


You obviously do not know what "simulcasting" means.


d'Eduardo - Please spell it out for us . . .

on second thought i will do it for you : " s i m u l c a s t i n g "

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On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote:


Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.

Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying
much.


The receptor, of course, is not portable.

Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe
they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected
before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market.


We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year.


I see, so what you are saying is that it took them 4 freaking times to
get it right. That raises the question of just how good this 4th
generation is going to be.


No, it took FCC approval of the system for the genuine developers to be
interested. The original chipsets were as close to a prototype as you can
get and still sell to the public.


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Everything released says that the chip will be lower cost, and nothing
says
anything to the contrary.


You don't understand the ASIC semiconductor industry at all do you.


I do not need to understand the industry as a whole to understand the
reports that the investors in iBiquity receive regarding the developments in
chip development, receiver manufacturer interest, etc. Any individual in any
business at some point has to rely on trustworthy sources of data as it is
impossible to know all the details of every service, technology or process
we buy, hire, rent, use or are dependent on.

I doubt Jack Welch did GE's taxes while he was CEO and I am sure he did not
insert blades in jet turbines. His success was finding the best people to do
those things under his direction.

I've known some fine DXers who could not open a receiver ant tell if it was
hollow state or solid state; they trusted a good manufacturer and the advice
of fellow DXers... they had no need to know.


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On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:


The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give crap
to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word).

My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400.


We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you.


No, it was just the cost of wanting new technology when it was in its
infancy....no oversampling, intolerance to surface errors, etc.

Early color TVs sucked and cost about $3000 2007 dollars. But as they
evolved, they got better... it took about 15 years, too.


Hey Eduardo, how about that link to the new chip set?

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True - there are more than enough AM/FM stations without the need for
simulcasting.


You obviously do not know what "simulcasting" means.


Hey Eduardo, how about that link to the new low power chip sets?

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