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On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give
crap
to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word).

My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400.

We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you.

No, it was just the cost of wanting new technology when it was in its
infancy....no oversampling, intolerance to surface errors, etc.

Early color TVs sucked and cost about $3000 2007 dollars. But as they
evolved, they got better... it took about 15 years, too.


Hey Eduardo, how about that link to the new chip set?

There is plenty of data if you happen to be an investor in iBiquity. On the
other had, there is no data about a more expensive Samsung chip and
considerable data on it being smaller, having lower power consumption and
being much less expensive than the current short production run chips. I
don't think you need to be told to go Google it....

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On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his
and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are
unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed
in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season.

I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones
out
there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones
will
come sometime in mid-2008.

Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.

I predict another rough day for 'Eduardo'...

Nope, rough for Stevearino.

Snip

Hey Eduardo, what part of half dead do you not understand?

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On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote:


Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was
the best HD AM portable achievable.

Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying
much.

The receptor, of course, is not portable.

Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe
they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected
before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market.

We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year.

I see, so what you are saying is that it took them 4 freaking times to
get it right. That raises the question of just how good this 4th
generation is going to be.

No, it took FCC approval of the system for the genuine developers to be
interested. The original chipsets were as close to a prototype as you can
get and still sell to the public.

OK then, it took them 4 times just to get FCC approval. It does not
sound like they are very interested to me or they would have got it
right the first time.

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Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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news:telamon_spamshield-.
Everything released says that the chip will be lower cost, and nothing
says
anything to the contrary.

You don't understand the ASIC semiconductor industry at all do you.

I do not need to understand the industry as a whole to understand the
reports that the investors in iBiquity receive regarding the developments in
chip development, receiver manufacturer interest, etc. Any individual in any
business at some point has to rely on trustworthy sources of data as it is
impossible to know all the details of every service, technology or process
we buy, hire, rent, use or are dependent on.

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Great let me straighten you out then. It costs big bucks to develop the
ASIC. The more you sell of those ASICS the sooner you recover the costs
and start making a profit. If you don't sell many you have to charge a
higher price. That is a little over simplified but you should get the
drift of it.

So, the chips will start out expensive and HD will half to take off big
time for the price to drop... over time.

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Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is
give crap to the early adopters (who tend to spread the
word).

My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400.

We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you.

No, it was just the cost of wanting new technology when it was in
its infancy....no oversampling, intolerance to surface errors,
etc.

Early color TVs sucked and cost about $3000 2007 dollars. But as
they evolved, they got better... it took about 15 years, too.


Hey Eduardo, how about that link to the new chip set?

There is plenty of data if you happen to be an investor in iBiquity.
On the other had, there is no data about a more expensive Samsung
chip and considerable data on it being smaller, having lower power
consumption and being much less expensive than the current short
production run chips. I don't think you need to be told to go Google
it....

Wow, you really know how to blow it out your butt.

I've been to and posted the link to the Semi manufacture press news
link. Semi manufactures usually don't keep progress on new product
development since they like to show off their new products. That's what
the link is for, press releases about new product development. No press
releases mean no development.

New product is expensive until large quantities are sold so the
development cost is amortized over larger numbers of the devices.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sep 25, 10:13 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Sep 25, 10:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year.

So, I take it the Radiosophy currently on the market is a "third
generation" set?

Second.


FWIW - IMHO,

The 'basis' Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio's Analog AM/MW Tuner
is better then most of the present day Consumer Grade older
Analog "Only" AM/MW Tuners : Including the Bose and many
others; which sell for Hundreds of Dollars more.

at least that is what my eyes and ears tell me ~ RHF

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light !
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

On Sep 25, 10:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give
crap
to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word).

My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400.

We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you.

No, it was just the cost of wanting new technology when it was in its
infancy....no oversampling, intolerance to surface errors, etc.

Early color TVs sucked and cost about $3000 2007 dollars. But as they
evolved, they got better... it took about 15 years, too.

Hey Eduardo, how about that link to the new chip set?

There is plenty of data if you happen to be an investor in iBiquity. On the
other had, there is no data about a more expensive Samsung chip and
considerable data on it being smaller, having lower power consumption and
being much less expensive than the current short production run chips. I
don't think you need to be told to go Google it....- Hide quoted text -

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Actually, according to Samsung it's much more expensive.

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Telamon wrote:

OK then, it took them 4 times just to get FCC approval. It does not
sound like they are very interested to me or they would have got it
right the first time.

The spectrum the shows up on my radio now is much different than that
described in the web sites a year or so back. From two sidebands,
10 kHz wide, at +/- 15-25 kHz, now reduced down to 5 kHz wide at
+/- 10-15 kHz.

If they're changing it that much, no manufacturer is going to commit to
loading firmware into a bunch of chips if they'll have to scrap them in
6 months.

I can just hear the marketing rep at the semi company.
"You changed it. AGAIN?".

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:43:41 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400. I can say that about nearly
every totally new product. Early XM and Sirius receivers were vastly less
effective than current ones, too.

''Less effective''? My Pioneer 903 picked up XM as well as my Onkyo
home receiver does. My retro CB looking Jensen picked up Sirius as
well as the new unit in my pickup truck. True, they were klunky, but
they worked. My BA Recepter gets 1 station in AM, KSPN, only during
the day, when they are 50,000 Watts.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:39 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


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On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give crap
to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word).

My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400.

We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you.

No, it was just the cost of wanting new technology when it was in its
infancy....no oversampling, intolerance to surface errors, etc.

Early color TVs sucked and cost about $3000 2007 dollars. But as they
evolved, they got better... it took about 15 years, too.


That was 50 years ago. We haven't gotten any better?