"Maximus" wrote in
link.net:

Yes, but therein lies the rub, the causative agent isn't an organism, it
appears to be some form of deranged protein.

Apparently the cremation of the animal carcasses in England was
insufficient to render the protein safe for exposure. Cooking it out
will definitely not work.

Though I offer my condolence in the passing of your Father, I do not
believe that the two diseases should be compared.

As devastating as Parkinsons was to you, (and your Father), the
progression of the CJD is so rapid (after the latency period), the agent
is so little understood, and with the possibility of a multitude of
cases occurring simultaneously in the future, CJD deserves immediate
attention. I believe that the government will have us eating tainted
meat rather than risk the negative impact that Mad Cow Disease will have
on the economy. If CJD has an average latency period of 40 years, what
would the current politicians care, since they will likely have
naturally expired by the time the full impact of CJD would manifest.

Although we may be inconvenienced by higher meat prices, henceforth
higher McDonalds et al. prices, the salvation of people's lives and
health outweigh the need for an expedited economic recovery. The
assurance that the meat is genuinely free from the Prion said to cause
CJD is absolutely necessary, not an assurance based on speculation of
the cow's country of purchase. Behold your grandchildren, you would not
wish that fast food hamburger (or pepperoni, etc.) to be their death
warrant when they reach 40 years old.

Parkinsons needs federal money for medical research, CJD, at least at
this point, needs prevention through diligent processing of food.

Dr. Artaud



Perhaps they need to unravel the mystery of the organism that causes
the problem so they can find a means of defeating it. Meanwhile, it
needs to be put in the laboratory and out of the political arena,
because they will otherwise make no progress against the disease. My
father died from complications of Parkinson's Disease. One of the
causes that are suspected in that disease are chemical exposure. I
guess keeping things like steroids and antibiotics and chemicals out
of the food supply would be helpful, but it is going to be an uphill
battle as long as money plays such a prominent role things. You are
what you eat - I don't want to eat downer cows etc.


--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is
immovable, lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny
fist of the all or nothing."

JJ wrote in
:


Years ago we lost a relative to ALS, another incurable disease, commonly
known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Similarly, he presented symptoms, was
misdiagnosed for some time, then the disease progressed far enough and
they ruled out everything else and finally diagnosed it.

My condolences on your brother-in-law's passing.

If I may ask, what was his age when he died? In which state, if an
American Citizen, did he live?

Dr. Artaud




My brother-in-law died last November of CJD. The symptoms began
showing up in early summer as trembling of his hands. The doctors
diagnosed everything from a small stroke to a brain tumor. Test ruled
everything out. By October he had double vision and mussle weakness.
It progressed very rapidly. Eventually a sample of spinal fluid
provided the diagnoses of CJD.
CJD, BSE, and CWD (chronic wasting disease) are very similar in that
they attack the brain and nervous system the same way.
Last year, my brother-in-law who was an avid hunter, was doing some
target practice on his farm. He set up a target in front of a bunch of
trees and bushes. When he shot, he though he saw something fall and
went to investigate and he had shot a deer that he could not see as it
was behing the target. He had the deer processed as he like venison,
he did not have it tested for CWD. I don't know and don't really think
there is a connection (these diseases usually take a long time to
develop) and the doctors said his CJD was not food related, but it
does makes one wonder.




--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is immovable,
lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny fist of the
all or nothing."

"Doctor Artaud" wrote in message
...
"Maximus" wrote in
link.net:

Yes, but therein lies the rub, the causative agent isn't an organism, it
appears to be some form of deranged protein.

Apparently the cremation of the animal carcasses in England was
insufficient to render the protein safe for exposure. Cooking it out
will definitely not work.

Maybe too little, too late, or maybe salvation.. but I heard on the news a
while ago that the government has just placed a ban on all neural materials
in cattle, including brain, spinal cord, etc. as "unfit for human
consumption" and making it illegal to have even trace amounts of this in the
food supply.

I see that the Dept. of Agriculture just invoked new rules affecting beef
processing to address the "mad cow" disease problem.

No more "downer cows" (cows that can't make it to slaughter under their own
power due to injury or sickness), and no more processing brains, spinal
tissue, eyes, and intestines for use in food.

-- Stinger

"Doctor Artaud" wrote in message
...
"Maximus" wrote in
link.net:

Yes, but therein lies the rub, the causative agent isn't an organism, it
appears to be some form of deranged protein.

Apparently the cremation of the animal carcasses in England was
insufficient to render the protein safe for exposure. Cooking it out
will definitely not work.

Though I offer my condolence in the passing of your Father, I do not
believe that the two diseases should be compared.

As devastating as Parkinsons was to you, (and your Father), the
progression of the CJD is so rapid (after the latency period), the agent
is so little understood, and with the possibility of a multitude of
cases occurring simultaneously in the future, CJD deserves immediate
attention. I believe that the government will have us eating tainted
meat rather than risk the negative impact that Mad Cow Disease will have
on the economy. If CJD has an average latency period of 40 years, what
would the current politicians care, since they will likely have
naturally expired by the time the full impact of CJD would manifest.

Although we may be inconvenienced by higher meat prices, henceforth
higher McDonalds et al. prices, the salvation of people's lives and
health outweigh the need for an expedited economic recovery. The
assurance that the meat is genuinely free from the Prion said to cause
CJD is absolutely necessary, not an assurance based on speculation of
the cow's country of purchase. Behold your grandchildren, you would not
wish that fast food hamburger (or pepperoni, etc.) to be their death
warrant when they reach 40 years old.

Parkinsons needs federal money for medical research, CJD, at least at
this point, needs prevention through diligent processing of food.

Dr. Artaud



Perhaps they need to unravel the mystery of the organism that causes
the problem so they can find a means of defeating it. Meanwhile, it
needs to be put in the laboratory and out of the political arena,
because they will otherwise make no progress against the disease. My
father died from complications of Parkinson's Disease. One of the
causes that are suspected in that disease are chemical exposure. I
guess keeping things like steroids and antibiotics and chemicals out
of the food supply would be helpful, but it is going to be an uphill
battle as long as money plays such a prominent role things. You are
what you eat - I don't want to eat downer cows etc.


--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is
immovable, lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny
fist of the all or nothing."

Brenda Ann, we seem to have posted the same thing at the same time ;^)

-- Stinger

"Stinger" wrote in message
.. .
I see that the Dept. of Agriculture just invoked new rules affecting beef
processing to address the "mad cow" disease problem.

No more "downer cows" (cows that can't make it to slaughter under their
own
power due to injury or sickness), and no more processing brains, spinal
tissue, eyes, and intestines for use in food.

-- Stinger

"Doctor Artaud" wrote in message
...
"Maximus" wrote in
link.net:

Yes, but therein lies the rub, the causative agent isn't an organism, it
appears to be some form of deranged protein.

Apparently the cremation of the animal carcasses in England was
insufficient to render the protein safe for exposure. Cooking it out
will definitely not work.

Though I offer my condolence in the passing of your Father, I do not
believe that the two diseases should be compared.

As devastating as Parkinsons was to you, (and your Father), the
progression of the CJD is so rapid (after the latency period), the agent
is so little understood, and with the possibility of a multitude of
cases occurring simultaneously in the future, CJD deserves immediate
attention. I believe that the government will have us eating tainted
meat rather than risk the negative impact that Mad Cow Disease will have
on the economy. If CJD has an average latency period of 40 years, what
would the current politicians care, since they will likely have
naturally expired by the time the full impact of CJD would manifest.

Although we may be inconvenienced by higher meat prices, henceforth
higher McDonalds et al. prices, the salvation of people's lives and
health outweigh the need for an expedited economic recovery. The
assurance that the meat is genuinely free from the Prion said to cause
CJD is absolutely necessary, not an assurance based on speculation of
the cow's country of purchase. Behold your grandchildren, you would not
wish that fast food hamburger (or pepperoni, etc.) to be their death
warrant when they reach 40 years old.

Parkinsons needs federal money for medical research, CJD, at least at
this point, needs prevention through diligent processing of food.

Dr. Artaud



Perhaps they need to unravel the mystery of the organism that causes
the problem so they can find a means of defeating it. Meanwhile, it
needs to be put in the laboratory and out of the political arena,
because they will otherwise make no progress against the disease. My
father died from complications of Parkinson's Disease. One of the
causes that are suspected in that disease are chemical exposure. I
guess keeping things like steroids and antibiotics and chemicals out
of the food supply would be helpful, but it is going to be an uphill
battle as long as money plays such a prominent role things. You are
what you eat - I don't want to eat downer cows etc.


--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is
immovable, lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny
fist of the all or nothing."

Maybe three or four years ago a magazine out of Detroit, ( I think,)
In These Times reported on two small studies of people who had died
of Alzheimers. Autopsies revealed that in one study 3% actually had
CJD and in the other study I believe it was 13%. Given the number of
people thought to be suffering from Alzheimers the numbers for
CJD/nvCJD may be orders of magnitude higher than currently estimated.


On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:25:53 -0000, Doctor Artaud
wrote:

JJ wrote in
:


Years ago we lost a relative to ALS, another incurable disease, commonly
known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Similarly, he presented symptoms, was
misdiagnosed for some time, then the disease progressed far enough and
they ruled out everything else and finally diagnosed it.

My condolences on your brother-in-law's passing.

If I may ask, what was his age when he died? In which state, if an
American Citizen, did he live?

Dr. Artaud




My brother-in-law died last November of CJD. The symptoms began
showing up in early summer as trembling of his hands. The doctors
diagnosed everything from a small stroke to a brain tumor. Test ruled
everything out. By October he had double vision and mussle weakness.
It progressed very rapidly. Eventually a sample of spinal fluid
provided the diagnoses of CJD.
CJD, BSE, and CWD (chronic wasting disease) are very similar in that
they attack the brain and nervous system the same way.
Last year, my brother-in-law who was an avid hunter, was doing some
target practice on his farm. He set up a target in front of a bunch of
trees and bushes. When he shot, he though he saw something fall and
went to investigate and he had shot a deer that he could not see as it
was behing the target. He had the deer processed as he like venison,
he did not have it tested for CWD. I don't know and don't really think
there is a connection (these diseases usually take a long time to
develop) and the doctors said his CJD was not food related, but it
does makes one wonder.

Doctor Artaud wrote:
JJ wrote in
:

Years ago we lost a relative to ALS, another incurable disease, commonly
known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Similarly, he presented symptoms, was
misdiagnosed for some time, then the disease progressed far enough and
they ruled out everything else and finally diagnosed it.

Same with my brother-in-law, after ruling out stroke or brain tumor,
they came up with possible ALS or Mystenia Gravis, then suggested Lyme's
disease or West Nile. After the disease progressed to a point, it was
very rapid.

My condolences on your brother-in-law's passing.

If I may ask, what was his age when he died? In which state, if an
American Citizen, did he live?

He was 70 and lived in Texas.

JJ wrote in
:

Doctor Artaud wrote:
JJ wrote in
:

There has always been cases of CJD that have occurred sporadically, in
the age groups below 60, 1 case in a million, above 60, 5 cases in a
million. Since he was older, it is of course possible that he had the
misfortune to have been one of the 5 cases in a million.

Conversely, from http://www.venison.com/cwd2.htm it appears that the
authorities state that "there is no known relationship between CWD and
any other TSE of animals or people", but since there is no known
relationship does not mean that there is no relationship. The article
continues with "The World Health Organization has likewise said there is
no scientific evidence CWD can infect humans. However, as a precaution
the WHO also says no part of a deer or elk with evidence of CWD should
be consumed by people or other animals". Another page emphatically
states that, as of 24 April 2003, "CWD HAS NOT BEEN FOUND IN TEXAS"
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/hunt/chr...nagement_plan/

I recently read an article concerning 3 men that died from CJD that were
part of a larger group (35 men) at a hunting camp. While at the camp,
venison was consumed by all. I believe that the assertion that the 3
cases of CJD had nothing to do with CWD is ludicrous. Statistically, the
probability of 3 associated men getting the disease, based on the x
number of cases per million, is virtually impossible. The same occurred
in England with mad cow disease, (BSE), 2 people in their 20s, living on
the same street, died from CJD. There must be a correlation to BSE and
CWD.

The real irony would be if they discover that the deer and other game
animals contracted the disease by eating the same feed that the cattle
were given, a feed laced with ground up sheep offal. Had the feed been
produced as nature intended, likely none of this would be going on now.

Regards,

Dr. Artaud




Same with my brother-in-law, after ruling out stroke or brain tumor,
they came up with possible ALS or Mystenia Gravis, then suggested
Lyme's disease or West Nile. After the disease progressed to a point,
it was very rapid.


He was 70 and lived in Texas.




--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is
immovable, lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny
fist of the all or nothing."

"Brenda Ann" wrote in
:

Me thinkst that a deficit in neural materials is common in politics.

Chuck Harder, on the shortwave show "Power to the People" has a guest
tonight. His guest maintains a web site, www.madcowboy.com discussing
BSE from the cattle rancher perspective.

As the guest prepared for his discussion of "Mechanically Separated
Meat", the powers that be (nature) decided to largely nix my shortwave
reception. Anyway, this is a cattle rancher that doesn't eat meat.

Chuck asked him why people could eat "cannibal sandwiches" years ago,
but the idea of safe ground meat seems so distant now.

I remember eating small hand rolled pieces of ground raw meat when I was
young, something that today I don't believe I could do, even if it were
safe.

The guest also went on to say that in some analyzed hamburgers, it is
estimated that there are parts of meat from 400 to 1000 cows.

Nice.

Anyway, the idea of eating ground muscle tissue from animals is becoming
less palatable as I age. When I was younger, I never thought I'd tire of
hamburgers.

The guest also went on to warn that unsuitable meat can be consumed from
unexpected places, such as pepperoni and sausage on pizza.

Dr. Artaud





Maybe too little, too late, or maybe salvation.. but I heard on the
news a while ago that the government has just placed a ban on all
neural materials in cattle, including brain, spinal cord, etc. as
"unfit for human consumption" and making it illegal to have even trace
amounts of this in the food supply.



--
To know and to be, this is not even a question, there is no alternative.
You see it clearly in the loneliest little avenues between particles and
waves, shunned even by the gregarious quark and unknown by the various
strands of time, so big it cannot be seen, yet so little it is
immovable, lies the fabric of the ultimate reality gripped in the tiny
fist of the all or nothing."