"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:FSaod.15233$D26.531@lakeread03...
Very interesting article, but could have been a little more provocative if
you had inserted comments about the quoted patterns that do NOT fit
America.
This is mostly misunderstood, because the smart-asses of the world who
think
they are liberal minded, have never known liberal anything. We invented
liberal and open minded thinking like the world has never known, not even
before the self-annihilation of the Greek and Roman empires. If the
world's
pattern of cyclical self destruction continues, these wise asses from
other
nations will NEVER know what the freedoms of thinking and acting liberal
was
all about either. It's important! Important in parallel with science and
religions as evidence of what man can do, could do, should do, and most
likely will do, both to himself and his environment. But the world's great
thinkers have never known the formula of "America" to write their thesis
on
before, and we defy the predictions of all who attempt to predict our
downfall. We rise to the rescue of the vanquished, meet our economic and
military challengers on the battlefields of industry, science, and
warfare,
and emerge triumphant in all cases. No one who emulates us can equal us,
and
none who oppose us can defeat us. The last three attempts by the old world
to ruin itself (WW's I, II, and the Cold War) had their defeats delivered
by America. The next time somebody tells Americans we're stupid, we're
arrogant, or we're wrong, ask them when the last time was they were right
about anything. Right now we're summing up who our friends are, and who
our
enemies are. If one day those friends turn out to be muslims, or the
enemies
turn out to be English - we can deal with that. But it's pretty obvious
right now that the nation of islam in it's present form has got to go, and
this means on a worldwide basis. These things can be fluid, and tolerance
applied where it is earned. But the survival of America is not a
negotiable
principle, and all the advice from the rest of the world is measured with
their record of never succeeding at anything. So keep the advice coming,
we're always listening. Forgive us if our experience is that nothing you
say
is ever worth ACTING on!

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach VA


BROVO!! Jack.


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It's not possible to defeat those animals and not turn into something
equally repulsive in the process.

There's no way anybody's thinking is going to change without a major
calamatous event that'll wake everybody up and get them focused on the
important stuff again. There is a lot of self-indulgent BS happening
right now, on many levels.

We have bigger problems than Islamist terrorists.

''I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but
the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not
to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.
This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.''

Thomas Jefferson

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:00:18 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

Very interesting article, but could have been a little more provocative if
you had inserted comments about the quoted patterns that do NOT fit America.
This is mostly misunderstood, because the smart-asses of the world who think
they are liberal minded, have never known liberal anything. We invented
liberal and open minded thinking like the world has never known, not even
before the self-annihilation of the Greek and Roman empires. If the world's
pattern of cyclical self destruction continues, these wise asses from other
nations will NEVER know what the freedoms of thinking and acting liberal was
all about either. It's important! Important in parallel with science and
religions as evidence of what man can do, could do, should do, and most
likely will do, both to himself and his environment. But the world's great
thinkers have never known the formula of "America" to write their thesis on
before, and we defy the predictions of all who attempt to predict our
downfall. We rise to the rescue of the vanquished, meet our economic and
military challengers on the battlefields of industry, science, and warfare,
and emerge triumphant in all cases. No one who emulates us can equal us, and
none who oppose us can defeat us. The last three attempts by the old world
to ruin itself (WW's I, II, and the Cold War) had their defeats delivered
by America. The next time somebody tells Americans we're stupid, we're
arrogant, or we're wrong, ask them when the last time was they were right
about anything. Right now we're summing up who our friends are, and who our
enemies are. If one day those friends turn out to be muslims, or the enemies
turn out to be English - we can deal with that. But it's pretty obvious
right now that the nation of islam in it's present form has got to go, and
this means on a worldwide basis. These things can be fluid, and tolerance
applied where it is earned. But the survival of America is not a negotiable
principle, and all the advice from the rest of the world is measured with
their record of never succeeding at anything. So keep the advice coming,
we're always listening. Forgive us if our experience is that nothing you say
is ever worth ACTING on!

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach VA

"David" wrote in message

"David" wrote

It's not possible to defeat those animals and not turn into something
equally repulsive in the process.

Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas
Jefferson.


There's no way anybody's thinking is going to change without a major
calamatous event that'll wake everybody up and get them focused on the
important stuff again. There is a lot of self-indulgent BS happening
right now, on many levels.

Oh yes we have changed things that were important, and continue to do so.
America can act quickly if its in our best interest, or we can work the
wheels of justice at a slow but inexorable rate that drives criminals
insane, and defeats them all the same. If this drives some liberals insane
in the process, so sorry. We can make more liberals! And we will of course.
They are a necessary part of our formula. Not our strength, but not our
downfall either. We all know the only thing it takes for evil to prevail is
for good men to do nothing. There are plenty of fine young and old men and
women in America, and the world knows this and desires us. Some to jealously
eliminate us, most to emulate and partake in the fruits of liberty, justice
and free enterprise with us. Criminal elements both at home and abroad
benefit from freedom also, and there must always be a balance that protects
the interests of the meek, the honest and the providers from those who would
destroy us.


We have bigger problems than Islamist terrorists.

Glad you aren't making policy for the Defense Department.

Jack

''I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but
the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not
to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.
This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.''

Thomas Jefferson

"Jack Painter" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...

SERMON: Living Under Fascism

(much bullshi+ snipped to save electrons)

You know David, if there ever is a Fascist State
in place in the seat of Govt of the USA
I hope that idiots like you and your Ilk are the first
in line for targeted action by the same.

Sieg Heil David! --- PFHBBLTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ; )

Jack Painter wrote:

"David" wrote

It's not possible to defeat those animals and not turn into something
equally repulsive in the process.

Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas
Jefferson.


There's no way anybody's thinking is going to change without a major
calamatous event that'll wake everybody up and get them focused on the
important stuff again. There is a lot of self-indulgent BS happening
right now, on many levels.

Oh yes we have changed things that were important, and continue to do so.
America can act quickly if its in our best interest, or we can work the
wheels of justice at a slow but inexorable rate that drives criminals
insane, and defeats them all the same. If this drives some liberals insane
in the process, so sorry. We can make more liberals! And we will of course.
They are a necessary part of our formula. Not our strength, but not our
downfall either. We all know the only thing it takes for evil to prevail is
for good men to do nothing. There are plenty of fine young and old men and
women in America, and the world knows this and desires us. Some to jealously
eliminate us, most to emulate and partake in the fruits of liberty, justice
and free enterprise with us. Criminal elements both at home and abroad
benefit from freedom also, and there must always be a balance that protects
the interests of the meek, the honest and the providers from those who would
destroy us.


We have bigger problems than Islamist terrorists.

Glad you aren't making policy for the Defense Department.

Apparently he's only involved in making lousy TV programs.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:45:37 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:


Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas

Nagasaki, Dresden, My Lai, etc.

David wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:45:37 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:



Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas


Nagasaki, Dresden, My Lai, etc.


not forgetting the half million killed in the Phillipines.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/ndf/special/R...Terrorism.html

http://snipurl.com/atbv


====================================
The Americans have killed up to EIGHT million worldwide because of
their activities. The term 'Banana Republic' was used to describe the
'Democracies' they set up. Talk about a Rogue State (and the Dole
empire).

http://www.doublestandards.org/ded.html
====================================

As soon as the paint was dry on the ''USA Open for Business'' shingle
the first thing we did was attack Muslims on the other side of the
world. No wonder they think they have to kill us. They are acting in
self-defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:18:50 GMT, m II
wrote:

David wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:45:37 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:



Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese, Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas


Nagasaki, Dresden, My Lai, etc.


not forgetting the half million killed in the Phillipines.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/ndf/special/R...Terrorism.html

http://snipurl.com/atbv


====================================
The Americans have killed up to EIGHT million worldwide because of
their activities. The term 'Banana Republic' was used to describe the
'Democracies' they set up. Talk about a Rogue State (and the Dole
empire).

http://www.doublestandards.org/ded.html
====================================

You don't read what you post, do you? The Pasha of
Tripoli wanted protection money from pirates attacking
our shipping interests. We'd been paying it since 1796
or so because we had other issues to deal with first, but
didn't want to pay the "increase" the Pasha wanted.
Doesn't sound like a "first thing we did was attack Muslims
on the other side of the world", with the implication that
it was preemtive in any way. If you want to build your
case, you'd better a) read the entry first, and not just
hope we don't read it, and b) learn a little history from
some books (I'd recommend Tindall's "America: A
Narrative History" volumes for a general overview)
before you sound off.

--Mike L.


"David" wrote in message
...
As soon as the paint was dry on the ''USA Open for Business''
shingle
the first thing we did was attack Muslims on the other side of the
world. No wonder they think they have to kill us. They are acting
in
self-defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:18:50 GMT, m II
wrote:

David wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:45:37 -0500, "Jack Painter"

wrote:



Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls
that make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated
them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of
Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples
who tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The
muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese,
Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim
anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something
repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would
alarm Thomas


Nagasaki, Dresden, My Lai, etc.


not forgetting the half million killed in the Phillipines.


http://home.wanadoo.nl/ndf/special/R...0US%20Terroris
m.html

http://snipurl.com/atbv


====================================
The Americans have killed up to EIGHT million worldwide because of
their activities. The term 'Banana Republic' was used to describe
the
'Democracies' they set up. Talk about a Rogue State (and the Dole
empire).

http://www.doublestandards.org/ded.html
====================================

"David" wrote in reply to
"Jack Painter"

Well, its too bad you are so disconnected from the boys and girls that
make
up the American armed forces. We have fought animals and defeated them
before, and we're defeating them now. Not one generation of Americans has
known exemption from having to deal with countries and peoples who
tortured
and murdered their prisoners as well as their own countrymen. The muslims
aren't much different in that respect than the Germans, Japanese,
Koreans,
Vietnamese, Sandanistas, Serbs, Taliban or fundamentalist muslim
anywhere.
We can and do defeat them without turning into something repuilsive, or
proscribing a lack of freedoms in our own country that would alarm Thomas

Nagasaki, Dresden, My Lai, etc.

David, You are accusing the US of turning into something repulsive because
we firebombed Dresden and nuked Japan? Mai Lai, etc? WHAT ETC? Do you have
any idea how many Japanese lives we spared because we nuked only two small
cities instead of Tokyo? Is there a shred of your brain working that lets
you ask yourself why we hit them where we did? Your response was repulsive
in my opinion, as it reflects a depth of depravity and ignorance that is
dangerous to those of us that must protect you. Fortunately we are smarter
than to waste our time being bitter about idiots, we simply work around
them, and they usually fade away without hurting anyone but themselves. The
measure of American's response to your diatribe could vary according to how
hard you try to hurt others before you destroy yourself. Your freedom of
speech has limits too which you will discover if you ever talk to a Vet like
that in person. We saw California liberals disrupt a Michelle Malkin book
signing recently by screaming, drum-beating and threatening protests during
her speech at Berkley. You were probably among the animals denying her free
speech in an institution of so-called higher learning. Maybe it was your
desire to draw defenders of free speech into a pitched battle? Be careful
what you ask for, you may get it someday. It won't be a police-state you
have to fear, we don't pay our police to provide animal-control services.

Jack