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Mike Terry March 19th 05 06:47 AM

Why is BBC World Service reducing its short wave provision?
 
"Short wave listening around the world is declining.

The downward trend is accelerating: the global short wave audience for BBC
World Service has dropped from 122 million in 1996 to 97 million in 2003.

Like other international broadcasters, BBC World Service has been adjusting
its short wave provisions in line with global demand changes.

Alternative ways to listen

At the same time BBC World Service has been investing in new delivery
methods, all with the improved audibility now preferred by audiences, such
as FM, cable, satellite and online.

BBC World Service is committed to making the best use of the money it
receives from the government and has had considerable success in attracting
audiences to these new methods of delivery; more than 50 million are using
these and the numbers are growing fast.

Separately, online usage has grown from three million page impressions every
month in late 1998 to almost 300 million by 2004, which is equivalent to 18
million unique users.

Alongside in-depth news and information, programmes are available streamed
both live and on demand at the convenience of the listener.

There are now more ways to listen to BBC World Service broadcasts than ever
before. To check for availability in your region please click here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us...ort_wave.shtml



Invader3K March 19th 05 02:36 PM

Yeah, but their amount of shortwave listeners has declined only since
they reduced their broadcasting schedules, as far as I know.


dxAce March 19th 05 03:03 PM



Invader3K wrote:

Yeah, but their amount of shortwave listeners has declined only since
they reduced their broadcasting schedules, as far as I know.


It would seem that way wouldn't it?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Joel Rubin March 19th 05 03:17 PM

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:47:27 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Terry"
wrote:

"Short wave listening around the world is declining.

The downward trend is accelerating: the global short wave audience for BBC
World Service has dropped from 122 million in 1996 to 97 million in 2003.

Like other international broadcasters, BBC World Service has been adjusting
its short wave provisions in line with global demand changes.

Alternative ways to listen

At the same time BBC World Service has been investing in new delivery
methods, all with the improved audibility now preferred by audiences, such
as FM, cable, satellite and online.

BBC World Service is committed to making the best use of the money it
receives from the government and has had considerable success in attracting
audiences to these new methods of delivery; more than 50 million are using
these and the numbers are growing fast.

Separately, online usage has grown from three million page impressions every
month in late 1998 to almost 300 million by 2004, which is equivalent to 18
million unique users.

Alongside in-depth news and information, programmes are available streamed
both live and on demand at the convenience of the listener.

There are now more ways to listen to BBC World Service broadcasts than ever
before. To check for availability in your region please click here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us...ort_wave.shtml


1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.

Also, I have never heard of a shortwave transmitter which could not
take on further listeners because of network overloads.

2) Once you go on the internet, you don't need BBCWS anymore - you
might as well listen to Beeb domestic. For example, I rarely listen to
BBCWS on the internet but I am a frequent listener to the satellite
network BBC7 (with old comedy and drama) and Radio 4, each of which is
streamed.



[email protected] March 19th 05 03:44 PM

They need to put some pretty wimmins on BBC America,on my DirecTV for me
to look at instead of that ugly looking old cow they have on there
nowdays.She looks like ****.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 19th 05 05:05 PM

Well, there are signs that shortwave listening is on the decline if you
look at the number of new hf receiver models being offered and the
numker of companies making them. The frequencies listed in
publications like MT seems to be smaller than before too.

The BBC like so many other national radio stations are looking for ways
to cut costs when budgets are lean and still get their message out.
Going to the internet, cable tv, satellite radio and local rebroadcast
of downlinked signals are obvious ways to do that.

Wish the excitement for shortwave broadcasts was like it was from the
1930's through the 1950's. Back then broadcasts over shortwave were
the fastest way to find out what was happening around the world. Many
of those furniture grade wood cased radios had both MW and shortwave
bands. Today there are numerous alternatives to shortwave radio and
the major boradcasters are incresingly turning to those media.



Mike Terry wrote:
"Short wave listening around the world is declining.

The downward trend is accelerating: the global short wave audience

for BBC
World Service has dropped from 122 million in 1996 to 97 million in

2003.

Like other international broadcasters, BBC World Service has been

adjusting
its short wave provisions in line with global demand changes.

Alternative ways to listen

At the same time BBC World Service has been investing in new delivery
methods, all with the improved audibility now preferred by audiences,

such
as FM, cable, satellite and online.

BBC World Service is committed to making the best use of the money it
receives from the government and has had considerable success in

attracting
audiences to these new methods of delivery; more than 50 million are

using
these and the numbers are growing fast.

Separately, online usage has grown from three million page

impressions every
month in late 1998 to almost 300 million by 2004, which is equivalent

to 18
million unique users.

Alongside in-depth news and information, programmes are available

streamed
both live and on demand at the convenience of the listener.

There are now more ways to listen to BBC World Service broadcasts

than ever
before. To check for availability in your region please click here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us...ort_wave.shtml



running dogg March 20th 05 12:28 AM

Joel Rubin wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:47:27 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Terry"
wrote:

"Short wave listening around the world is declining.

The downward trend is accelerating: the global short wave audience for BBC
World Service has dropped from 122 million in 1996 to 97 million in 2003.

Like other international broadcasters, BBC World Service has been adjusting
its short wave provisions in line with global demand changes.

Alternative ways to listen

At the same time BBC World Service has been investing in new delivery
methods, all with the improved audibility now preferred by audiences, such
as FM, cable, satellite and online.

BBC World Service is committed to making the best use of the money it
receives from the government and has had considerable success in attracting
audiences to these new methods of delivery; more than 50 million are using
these and the numbers are growing fast.

Separately, online usage has grown from three million page impressions every
month in late 1998 to almost 300 million by 2004, which is equivalent to 18
million unique users.

Alongside in-depth news and information, programmes are available streamed
both live and on demand at the convenience of the listener.

There are now more ways to listen to BBC World Service broadcasts than ever
before. To check for availability in your region please click here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us...ort_wave.shtml


1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.


I've been saying this for weeks, yet nobody has been listening. Nepal
was a warning shot over the bow of the BBC and every other shortwave
broadcaster (Voice of America, anyone?) who thinks that FM and the net
can replace shortwave. I figure that it will take a first world
country-such as the USA-doing what his majesty did in Nepal to make SW
broadcasters sit up and take notice. An Iraqi insurgent takeover of a
Sawa FM outlet might work, too.

Also, I have never heard of a shortwave transmitter which could not
take on further listeners because of network overloads.


The old bugaboo of the net-never enough bandwidth. As bandwidth expands,
so does content, like a goldfish that expands to fit its environment.
Now that people have broadband, they download whole movies. People
didn't do that with 14.4 modem connections and 80 MB hard drives. I
suppose if they invent a fatter internet pipe than broadband, people
will invent more and bigger content for it. Analog over the air radio
doesn't have this problem, obviously. All it will take is some 13 year
old hacker shutting down the internet for a while for people to realize
that the internet isn't reliable yet. Not to mention security, which is
a whole other post...

2) Once you go on the internet, you don't need BBCWS anymore - you
might as well listen to Beeb domestic. For example, I rarely listen to
BBCWS on the internet but I am a frequent listener to the satellite
network BBC7 (with old comedy and drama) and Radio 4, each of which is
streamed.


The BBC seems to think that it can put the BBCWS on just a handful of FM
outlets and have it survive. I really don't think so. Also, has it
occured to them that the decline in SW listeners has been a result of
them cutting out whole continents (NAm and Aus) from their services and
reducing transmissions to others?


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[email protected] March 20th 05 02:48 AM

BBC is very left wing biased (bi-assed) too.I have noticed that for many
years.
cuhulin


Jim March 20th 05 03:23 AM

Joel Rubin wrote in message hlink.net...
1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.


Well said. Actually, the reason FM station (103 MHz) only shut off the Nepali
language broadcast (1500-1530 UTC). World service was/is available 24 hours a
day in Kathmandu. So was BBC TV on cable networks. Most common folks are
rediscovering shortwave once again to listen to Nepali language broadcast from
foreign stations. Streaming audio can be heard over Internet for those folks
who have access to net.

But BBC does need to shut down some transmitters. Nothing more annoying than
to tune the shortwave and when you think you found some exotic station, it
turns out to be BEEB.

Howard March 20th 05 04:02 AM

On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:

Joel Rubin wrote in message hlink.net...
1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.


Well said. Actually, the reason FM station (103 MHz) only shut off the Nepali
language broadcast (1500-1530 UTC). World service was/is available 24 hours a
day in Kathmandu. So was BBC TV on cable networks. Most common folks are
rediscovering shortwave once again to listen to Nepali language broadcast from
foreign stations. Streaming audio can be heard over Internet for those folks
who have access to net.

But BBC does need to shut down some transmitters. Nothing more annoying than
to tune the shortwave and when you think you found some exotic station, it
turns out to be BEEB.


Jim,
I thought of something more annoying: thinking you've found an exotic
station only to find out it's "Pastor" Pete Peters!

Howard

dxAce March 20th 05 04:04 AM



Jim wrote:

Joel Rubin wrote in message hlink.net...
1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.


Well said. Actually, the reason FM station (103 MHz) only shut off the Nepali
language broadcast (1500-1530 UTC). World service was/is available 24 hours a
day in Kathmandu. So was BBC TV on cable networks. Most common folks are
rediscovering shortwave once again to listen to Nepali language broadcast from
foreign stations. Streaming audio can be heard over Internet for those folks
who have access to net.

But BBC does need to shut down some transmitters. Nothing more annoying than
to tune the shortwave and when you think you found some exotic station, it
turns out to be BEEB.


Then you need to get a clue!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Joe Analssandrini March 20th 05 05:05 AM

How do they know how many are listening to their short wave
transmissions?

They've never asked me.

Have they asked anyone?

Joe


dxAce March 20th 05 10:15 AM



Joe Analssandrini wrote:

How do they know how many are listening to their short wave
transmissions?

They've never asked me.

Have they asked anyone?


Apparently so, as they say that they carry out extensive audience research, as
has the VOA.

However, they've never asked me either.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] March 20th 05 03:06 PM

I also thought it was interesting that they seem to be keeping track of
"page impressions" (which I take to be 'hits) on their website. You can
have a whole lot of hits without anyone actually bothering to read
anything! Consequently, getting lots of hits does *not* mean you're
getting your message out.

Steve


David March 20th 05 03:17 PM

The world is left-wing compared to the United States. We are alone in
the fascist wilderness.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:48:43 -0600, wrote:

BBC is very left wing biased (bi-assed) too.I have noticed that for many
years.
cuhulin




David March 20th 05 03:19 PM

On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:

Joel Rubin wrote in message hlink.net...
1) When push comes to shove, shortwave frequently goes where the new
methods can't.

For example, the King of Nepal shut off 'net connections and FM local
relays of the Beeb but it is far harder to shut down shortwave.


Well said. Actually, the reason FM station (103 MHz) only shut off the Nepali
language broadcast (1500-1530 UTC). World service was/is available 24 hours a
day in Kathmandu. So was BBC TV on cable networks. Most common folks are
rediscovering shortwave once again to listen to Nepali language broadcast from
foreign stations. Streaming audio can be heard over Internet for those folks
who have access to net.

But BBC does need to shut down some transmitters. Nothing more annoying than
to tune the shortwave and when you think you found some exotic station, it
turns out to be BEEB.

The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal with a
$200 Worldspace receiver.

http://www.worldspace.com/programmin..._asiastar.html


dxAce March 20th 05 03:21 PM



David wrote:

The world is left-wing compared to the United States. We are alone in
the fascist wilderness.


Well, you are certainly not alone in your 'tardism, 'tard.

Go tote it, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:48:43 -0600, wrote:

BBC is very left wing biased (bi-assed) too.I have noticed that for many
years.
cuhulin



RedOctober March 20th 05 06:47 PM

Shortwave radio is not going to die out completely, it's use on
Broadcast stns will be greatly reduced.

Back in the old days shortwave was probably one of the best methods to
find info on foreign countries, today you just bring up your web
browser and type in (whatver country) food+culture and out it pops
right there with photos, videos, all things that SW can't typically
bring.


David Eduardo March 20th 05 11:45 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:


The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal with a
$200 Worldspace receiver.


Which is about twice the average monthly income of a Nepalese, I believe.



David March 21st 05 01:09 AM

They share.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:45:25 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:


The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal with a
$200 Worldspace receiver.


Which is about twice the average monthly income of a Nepalese, I believe.





Michael Lawson March 21st 05 06:23 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
I also thought it was interesting that they seem to be keeping track

of
"page impressions" (which I take to be 'hits) on their website. You

can
have a whole lot of hits without anyone actually bothering to read
anything! Consequently, getting lots of hits does *not* mean you're
getting your message out.


Hell, search engines do a lot of hitting these days;
popularity shouldn't be based on the number of
hits a web site gets.

--Mike L.




Michael Lawson March 21st 05 06:25 PM

Yeah, and when they can get a shortwave radio for
1/5 the cost of the Worldspace receiver, guess what
they'll get??

--Mike L.


"David" wrote in message
...
They share.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:45:25 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:


The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal

with a
$200 Worldspace receiver.


Which is about twice the average monthly income of a Nepalese, I

believe.








David March 21st 05 11:38 PM



On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:25:04 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Yeah, and when they can get a shortwave radio for
1/5 the cost of the Worldspace receiver, guess what
they'll get??

--Mike L.

Y'all really are dinosaurs. It's the 21st Century. Lo:

http://www.firstvoiceint.org/How/Satellite.html


dxAce March 21st 05 11:43 PM



David wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:25:04 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Yeah, and when they can get a shortwave radio for
1/5 the cost of the Worldspace receiver, guess what
they'll get??

--Mike L.

Y'all really are dinosaurs. It's the 21st Century. Lo:

http://www.firstvoiceint.org/How/Satellite.html


Nah, we're just still smart enough to operate a SW receiver, 'tard boy!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce March 21st 05 11:58 PM



David wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:25:04 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Yeah, and when they can get a shortwave radio for
1/5 the cost of the Worldspace receiver, guess what
they'll get??

--Mike L.

Y'all really are dinosaurs. It's the 21st Century. Lo:

http://www.firstvoiceint.org/How/Satellite.html


Move along, 'tard boy... there's no satellite radio to be heard here.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Dan Say March 22nd 05 02:20 AM

David wrote:

On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
......
The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal
with a $200 Worldspace receiver.

http://www.worldspace.com/programmin..._asiastar.html


Except that in April Worldspace is going to
encryption and will require a monthly license, more
than the monthly income of most Nepalis etc.

Radio for the elites indeed.
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running dogg March 22nd 05 04:23 AM

Dan Say wrote:

David wrote:

On 19 Mar 2005 19:23:57 -0800, (Jim) wrote:
......
The BBC West Asia service is available Free to anyone in Nepal
with a $200 Worldspace receiver.

http://www.worldspace.com/programmin..._asiastar.html


Except that in April Worldspace is going to
encryption and will require a monthly license, more
than the monthly income of most Nepalis etc.

Radio for the elites indeed.


Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about. They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person. So
they're going to satellite radio and FM relays in cities where the rich
and powerful congregate (there's one in San Francisco but not in
Sacramento; I doubt very much that Omaha will ever have any BBC
programming). Apparently the BBC is just interested in narrowcasting-the
selected targeting of the rich and powerful to the exclusion of
everybody else. It's a sad end to what was once the great news reporting
service in the world, the one that tried to tell the news honestly to as
many people as it could reach.


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Michael Lawson March 22nd 05 12:21 PM


"David" wrote in message
...


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:25:04 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Yeah, and when they can get a shortwave radio for
1/5 the cost of the Worldspace receiver, guess what
they'll get??

--Mike L.

Y'all really are dinosaurs. It's the 21st Century. Lo:

http://www.firstvoiceint.org/How/Satellite.html


Still costs too much, because the "as little as $150"
is not what they will pay; in the third world, it
tends to cost higher. Many people there already
own shortwaves and they don't have our need to
have the latest gadget.

If it's the 21st Century, how come we're still listening
to AM radio and watching analog televisions??

--Mike L.




Michael Lawson March 22nd 05 01:57 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg

wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about.

They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.


They have? Link, please?


Yes, they have. Don't have a link at hand, but they have indeed

indicated in the
past that they are more interested perhaps in reaching the elites

who have a
hand in shaping policy, etc.

You'd have to go back and research the shortwave literature.


There's a reference in the 2003 Passport, page 81. The
current head of the BBC sniffs at the idea of wanting
to be heard by Detroit automobile workers.

--Mike L.




Michael Lawson March 22nd 05 02:01 PM


"David" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:21:18 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:



Still costs too much, because the "as little as $150"
is not what they will pay; in the third world, it
tends to cost higher. Many people there already
own shortwaves and they don't have our need to
have the latest gadget.

If it's the 21st Century, how come we're still listening
to AM radio and watching analog televisions??

--Mike L.

$68 wholesale. There is a foundation.

AM radio and analog TV aren't relevant.


Tell that one to the people who own the stations. Locally,
the AM stations do quite well against the FM stations,
and there's a big reason why some industry types
are getting worried about the cutover to digital
television; not enough people are buying digital
tv's.

--Mike L.




Eric F. Richards March 22nd 05 03:31 PM

Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about. They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.


They have? Link, please?

Jim


"In the United States, for instance, we are not saying we are trying
to reach everybody. We are not stopping people listening but our
target audience group there would be decision makers and opinion
formers."

http://www.publications.parliament.u...26/2050704.htm

Google is your friend.

--
Eric F. Richards

"The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most
experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in;
we're computer professionals. We cause accidents."
- Nathaniel S. Borenstein

dxAce March 22nd 05 06:21 PM



Jim wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:31:07 -0700, Eric F. Richards
wrote:

Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about. They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.

They have? Link, please?

Jim


"In the United States, for instance, we are not saying we are trying
to reach everybody. We are not stopping people listening but our
target audience group there would be decision makers and opinion
formers."

http://www.publications.parliament.u...26/2050704.htm

Google is your friend.


Not really. I don't have time to research every wacky claim made
here. Besides, that quote doesn't exactly support the above claim.


Well, you are certainly wacky if you can't read and understand what is being said.

Feel free though to try and support whatever 'wacky' claim YOU wish to make.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



running dogg March 22nd 05 08:12 PM

Michael Lawson wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg

wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about.

They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.

They have? Link, please?


Yes, they have. Don't have a link at hand, but they have indeed

indicated in the
past that they are more interested perhaps in reaching the elites

who have a
hand in shaping policy, etc.

You'd have to go back and research the shortwave literature.


There's a reference in the 2003 Passport, page 81. The
current head of the BBC sniffs at the idea of wanting
to be heard by Detroit automobile workers.


That's what I was referring to.


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David Eduardo March 23rd 05 01:35 AM


"David" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:21:18 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:



Still costs too much, because the "as little as $150"
is not what they will pay; in the third world, it
tends to cost higher. Many people there already
own shortwaves and they don't have our need to
have the latest gadget.

If it's the 21st Century, how come we're still listening
to AM radio and watching analog televisions??

--Mike L.

$68 wholesale. There is a foundation.

AM radio and analog TV aren't relevant.


This would be why 6 of the top 10 billing stations in the USA are AM? 17 of
the top 40 stations? Including the second and 4th highest billers in the US?



Don Forsling March 23rd 05 02:11 AM


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.. .

This would be why 6 of the top 10 billing stations in the USA are AM? 17
of the top 40 stations? Including the second and 4th highest billers in
the US?

Just an aside: Which are the six top-billing AM stations in the U.S. and
how are they spread throughout the top 10? I'd guess that WGN is one of the
six, but not having any data at hand, I can't make a really good guess on
the other five.

Thanks

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don Forsling

"Iowa--Gateway to Those Big Rectangular States"



Don Del Grande March 23rd 05 02:52 AM

running dogg wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about. They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person. So
they're going to satellite radio and FM relays in cities where the rich
and powerful congregate (there's one in San Francisco but not in
Sacramento; I doubt very much that Omaha will ever have any BBC
programming).


Where is the BBC World Service FM relay in San Francisco? The only FM
presence I am aware of in the area is KQED FM, and that's just one
hour or so of news per day, isn't it?

-- Don

running dogg March 23rd 05 03:28 AM

Leonard Martin wrote:

In article , running dogg wrote:

Michael Lawson wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg
wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about.
They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.

They have? Link, please?

Yes, they have. Don't have a link at hand, but they have indeed
indicated in the
past that they are more interested perhaps in reaching the elites
who have a
hand in shaping policy, etc.

You'd have to go back and research the shortwave literature.

There's a reference in the 2003 Passport, page 81. The
current head of the BBC sniffs at the idea of wanting
to be heard by Detroit automobile workers.


That's what I was referring to.


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Hey Running Dog,

You seem to have the font for your newsposts set very, very tiny. It's
very hard to read. It could a problem on my end, but I don't think so.
Everyone else's posts come over with type twice or more the size of
yours.

You might want to look into your settings.


I think it's got something to do with newsreader incompatibility. My
newsreader doesn't have a font setting that I can see (but I'll look) so
what looks normal to me may look bad to you. The type looks fine on this
end. I will admit that when I try to print an article the font is very
small but I thought that was just an issue with my printer. What
newsreader are you using? I'm using some obscure reader that was the
only one on Tucows that had online reading at the time I got this
computer (2002).


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running dogg March 23rd 05 03:29 AM

Don Del Grande wrote:

running dogg wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about. They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person. So
they're going to satellite radio and FM relays in cities where the rich
and powerful congregate (there's one in San Francisco but not in
Sacramento; I doubt very much that Omaha will ever have any BBC
programming).


Where is the BBC World Service FM relay in San Francisco? The only FM
presence I am aware of in the area is KQED FM, and that's just one
hour or so of news per day, isn't it?


From what I've heard, KALW, the SF school district station, broadcasts
Newshour at 2pm. I've never actually heard it here, but I read that in
the Chronicle in an article making fun of the BBC's style.


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running dogg March 23rd 05 03:40 AM

Leonard Martin wrote:

In article , running dogg wrote:

Michael Lawson wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Jim wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:23:26 -0800, running dogg
wrote:

Problem is, the elites are all the suits at the BBC care about.
They've
even said that they don't want to be heard by the average person.

They have? Link, please?

Yes, they have. Don't have a link at hand, but they have indeed
indicated in the
past that they are more interested perhaps in reaching the elites
who have a
hand in shaping policy, etc.

You'd have to go back and research the shortwave literature.

There's a reference in the 2003 Passport, page 81. The
current head of the BBC sniffs at the idea of wanting
to be heard by Detroit automobile workers.


That's what I was referring to.


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Hey Running Dog,

You seem to have the font for your newsposts set very, very tiny. It's
very hard to read. It could a problem on my end, but I don't think so.
Everyone else's posts come over with type twice or more the size of
yours.

You might want to look into your settings.


I found the "Font" drop down menu and changed the font to 15. That
should be better on your eyes, although it makes the spacing of my
replies look funny.


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running dogg March 23rd 05 04:04 AM

-=jd=- wrote:

On Tue 22 Mar 2005 08:35:38p, "David Eduardo" wrote
in message :


"David" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:21:18 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:



Still costs too much, because the "as little as $150"
is not what they will pay; in the third world, it
tends to cost higher. Many people there already
own shortwaves and they don't have our need to
have the latest gadget.

If it's the 21st Century, how come we're still listening
to AM radio and watching analog televisions??

--Mike L.

$68 wholesale. There is a foundation.

AM radio and analog TV aren't relevant.


This would be why 6 of the top 10 billing stations in the USA are AM?
17 of the top 40 stations? Including the second and 4th highest billers
in the US?



One of these days, Rickets will realize that it is *his* opinions and view-
points that are not relevant. The subsequent implosion of his ego should
register on every functioning seismograph on the face of the Earth.

It should be good for a chuckle or two...


Can this sort of thing be predicted, so that I'm not in LA when it
happens? I mean, the implosion of an ego that size could wipe out dozens
of square miles. It could create a massive tsunami, create new earth
formations. Now imagine what would happen if EVERY inflated ego in LA
imploded. Not a pretty picture.


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