Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all ****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir... er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who feels
the
pinch!










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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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"RP Jones" wrote in message .. .
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), gw wrote:

isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

My experience is that HP scopes are OK-to-great, while Tek scopes
are excellent-to-superb. Similarly, HP generators and analyzers are
excellent-to-superb, while OK-to-great.

There are other manufacturers that make excellent-to-superb hardware,
such as Fluke.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin

RP Jones wrote:
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

The repair depot in Washington DC has one old guy who likes working on the
older gear, and has some limited parts supply for them. Last year he spent
an awful lot of time getting the 100V supply on my 610 video monitor working
reliably, and I can strongly recommend the DC folks.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.

The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

Looked like English to me. What part of it did you not understand?

jak

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:21:29 GMT, "RP Jones"
wrote:

I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally
"lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

__________________________________________________ _______

I've read the above several times and can't quite figure out what you're
complaining about. Try it again in English.

--
Bill, W6WRT

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:46:28 -0500, Chuck Harris
wrote:

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.
That sounds just like the knobs used in the HT 32, 33, and SX101
series. They have a very thin flange, or lip around the front that is
very fragile. I saw one on e-bay a couple days ago that was described
as excellent, yet it had at least two sections of that lip missing.


The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

But Delrin is very easy to machine.
Also unless the gears are of a very odd size (most are spur gears or a
pair of 45 degree bevel gears) that can be replaced with something
more modern and durable.

I do like a lot of the new, lighter weight gear as I have a bad back.
(Probably from man handling that old stuff that takes two good size
men to load it into a trailer)

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?