I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every night it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
news

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

You don't find too many code-haters on 15m either.

wrote in message
...
Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that
band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
news

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users
operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something
when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I
get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross
makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

Mark,you are so wrong.
Im on 6 for "almost two decades"and dont have nor want code even tho i know
it from sonar and signalmans schools.
It is JUST a mode.It is JUST a hobby.
CBers dont migrate to ham.
If hams want to perform emergency work,why not let more of us nice no-coders
into HF?
We already have proven ourselves.
"MOVE AHEAD"

wrote in message
...
Eventually, in the not to distant future, the CW subbands will be the only
real amateur radio for us pre- no code operators.... the rest will just be
multi-band CB.... full of foul language and name-calling (much like
newsgroups and 75 meters). If they ever do away with the CW subbands, that
will be the end of HF for me, I'll stay on 6. From what I've seen, that
band
requires skill and patience, something that the code-hater types don't
have....

W4UDX

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
news

"VE3PMK" wrote in message
...
I agree completely with the 'toll gate' reference.

Simply 'wanting' to be a ham (and having a VISA card) should not be
enough.
Have a listen around the 26MHz to 28MHz for both the legal and out of
band
CB operators. Do you want the ham spectrum to sound like that?? I
certainly
don't. I don't think many of us wish to hear echoplexed microphones on
HF
nor our repeaters. (and yes, I host a repeater.) Do all CB users
operate
like that? Certainly not! Back then, I certainly did not, and yes, all
through high school myself and my now 'ham' buddies all had CBs.

We don't want simply 'more' hams. We certainly don't need an influx of
lids
QRMing the bands to a state of being unusable, heavens knows we have
enough
already. I wanted to be a ham for years, and after putting in some
effort,
studying a few times a week, and yes, practicing code on W1AW every
night
it
was receivable, I got my ticket. It makes you appreciate something
when
you
have to work for it, even if it's just a little effort. Now before I
get
flamed to pieces here speaking up in defense of CW, remember, I'm not
saying
anyone MUST use code, but having a few technical hurdles to cross
makes
for
a better ham population on the other end.

Someone wants to get on HF without a code requirement? I'm sure most
hams
would not mind that if there was a suitably challenging technical
requirement to replace it.

There's my two cents, and thanks to all you hams who operate keeping
others
in mind. It's a pleasure to share the spectrum with all of you.

Pat, VE3PMK

I concur....thanx for saying it better than I ever could.

n6ojn
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating and A/C


When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in
you,
do not look for any other standard to judge by:
the work is good, the product of a master craftsman.
- -- La Bruyere

10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history. You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
...

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

Let's hope not for a long time yet...

Tom sounds mad.

"Tom B." wrote in message ...
10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history. You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
..

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

"Tom B." wrote in message ...
10-4 Good Buddy. And if YOU don't like it, it's no good. I don't know
why you're getting so angry. If you don't want to do the code, don't.
Since the CW sub bands are one of the few places in radicand that aren't
infested with a bunch of dumb ass wind bags, that's where you'll find me.

When my anger gets too great, I'll just give all my gear away, and laugh
as all the windbags trample each other to try and be the one to get
something for free. Kind of like all the guys that want to up-grade but
cry like little babies when they are forced to do something they don't
want to do, CW. CRY, BABIES, CRY!

Well I'm a gonna back on outa here hand. I saw you. Gonna go drop the
maul. Warm those feet. Put the boots on. Put the fire in the wire. Wall
to wall and tree top tall. You're in the strawberry patch. How many
pounds am I hittin ya. Roger Dee, come on. Clip the mod limiter. Super
modulator kit. Echo mic. Talk back. Funnies. Free Band.

You know I once talked to CB enthusiast on skip that claimed he had
stacked Moonraker 6's on a 35'boom at 100'. All that, just to Squash the
Truckers on the Pike. What a waste.

But hey, WTF. If that's what floated his boat who am I to say he was a
Dumb Ass. Different strokes, you know?

Don't worry, you'll be able to get on HF pretty soon with no code. In
fact after that you won't even have to take a test of any kind. Just pay
your money and key down.

Ok, who wants a 940 that works good in the summertime?

(Sound Of Roger Beep Beeping)

Di di di dah di dah. (...-.-)

That's a secret code that may require some study on your part to
understand. It's a part of history.

So is crank-starting your car. So is running for the outhouse in a
blizzard. Want to keep them around, too?

The point is that nobody of any consequence (i.e.: the military, the
Coast Guard, or even coastal radio) uses CW anymore, only some
stuck-in-the-past hams. Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

You know, History, that thing that
too many Americans have no use for anymore.

You can blame that on TV programming, not CB radio.

Sincerely yours and best Holiday Wishes to all.

I'm going to go do some toast. .... . . .... ..

If you like and use CW, more power to ya, but there's simply no reason
to impose that requirement on others.

Tom
AB7TU
See my web page, run me on QRZ
..

Mr. Happy Said:
EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Why bother using a voice mode? People's voices have been around alot
longer than CW.

Jack

Bill Turner wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:45:07 -0800, "K5IN" wrote:


Riding a horse is still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked.


__________________________________________________ _______

Totally missing the point. Nobody *forces* you to learn horsemanship
before you can move around. Nothing wrong with CW except that a certain
clique insists on jamming it down our throats.

And what is this thread doing on this group anyway?

--
Bill, W6WRT
(a 20-wpm extra, BTW)