O.K. I have a few minuits before I start my day so I will use it to
describe in more detail that word "curl" that I spoke about earlier
where we just added a straight line arrow to the enclosed charges and
yet we called it a "curl". Remembe we only applied a time varing field
for just a moment so the arbitary border would not breach and this
movement can be likened ti a corkscrew that turns around and around but
yet it eneters just one small hole. If we view a charge of being on the
surface of the corkscrew we can visulise it going round and round like
a stone in Davids sling. But we only supplied energy to the gaussian
fiels for a short moment and David who also stopped the stone in the
sling flew outwards in a straight line with its potential energy
changing to kinetic energy. So that is why the charges had an arrow
attached which is what appears when the charge whirles around with
phase changes until it is released , so tho we represented the "curl"
addition by a straight arrow or vector one can see that this is a
result of the curling action of the charge around a dipole when a time
varying field is applied. Remember this particular addition to Gausses
law
provides the means of connection to Ampere and Kirchoffs work that
evolved with electromagnetics. Next time I will explain how a law of
nature allowed us to move out of the electrostics sphere and move
towards the creation of a radiating field. Hope that helps without
confusion.



O.K. where was I
Ah, we now have in front of us where all the enclosed charges are of a
like sign.
So now visualise that you are looking at a cluster of could be
radiating elements side on and think that each charge that appears on
the surface of the enclosed border eminated somehow from a dipole
behind it
First thing to understand that behind the charge direction sign we have
a dipole which like all the other charges must be in equilibrium with
all the other charges dipoles so the first requirement is to make every
dipole resonant and since they are in cluster form the interacting
coupling effects destroy the equilibrium unless we ensure that all the
dipoles are resonant despite outher forces. To do this we ofcourse have
to adjust the lengths of each dipole such that it is still resonant
despite the positional arrangement we put them in which means the
dipooles will not be of the same length but still reonant in situ to
maiantain equilibrium. Up to now we have beenmanipulating a Gaussion
law that applies to electrostatics, a subset of electro magnetics where
in mathematical terms time must be taken into account so we have to go
back to the Gaussian field and add another tem to the Gaussian law like
" in a small space of time " or something like that. We can do this
because what Gauss found and put into mathematical form is a law not a
theorem in that it blends with laws of nature and the universe as
proven mathematically. So for an instant of time we can place the
clustered elements in a short burst of a time varying field where each
of the enclosed charges have a directional vector added to it in the
form of phase possesion
which is often times referred to as Curl if you come across that term
later. Now for equilibrium all charges must change in unison which they
will do as we made the length of elements resonant in situ. Now looking
at the Gaussian field it can be seen that for a short moment in time
each of the charges/dipole elements have formed directional mean for
the time varying charges but without breaking out from the arbitary
border or having to radiate in any way to another element. So at this
point we have a cluster of elements that have not started the process
of radiating/E.H. field generation and where by virtue of all elements
being of the same "Q' we have avoided the cumbersome job of determining
the intercoupling
forces. At this point we can say we are dealing with lumped constants
and eligable for adaptation by RLC or complex circuitry methods. I
think you will need a bit of time to absorb what I have stated before
we move on to an actual radiating array since there is more work to be
done before I get to that point.See you later


art wrote:
Pray tell me what is it in my posting that inflamed you as a self
chosen judge
to pass judgement on me?

Mike Lucas wrote:
"art" wrote in message
ps.com...

massive snip

Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis

Gene Fuller wrote:
It is quite possible that your antenna configuration is novel, ...

I'll bet it can't hold a candle to my 24 dBi omni at:

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/SUPRGAIN.EZ

:-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I'll bet it can't hold a candle to my 24 dBi omni at:

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/SUPRGAIN.EZ

Wow! EZNEC average gain test shows +18dB... lessee... that means it's
about 630% efficient! Good work!

Cecil, I can't get this on my computor just a mix of letters here and
there Any suggestions
Art
Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
It is quite possible that your antenna configuration is novel, ...

I'll bet it can't hold a candle to my 24 dBi omni at:

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/SUPRGAIN.EZ

:-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

art wrote:
Cecil, I can't get this on my computor just a mix of letters here and
there Any suggestions
Art
Cecil Moore wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
It is quite possible that your antenna configuration is novel, ...
I'll bet it can't hold a candle to my 24 dBi omni at:

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/SUPRGAIN.EZ

:-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


It is an eznec file. You must import it into eznec ...

JS

John, about being a"nut" when you think out of the box people havent
got a book to study up on you So many people in the past were labelled
"nuts" long after they had passed away.
George Green a mathematicician from Nottingham was not in with the no
alls and yet nowadays his work is still in use in engineering but
others have polished up some of what he found and laid claim to it.
Very few people now a days knows of this George Green.
Then there was that guy more than two thousand years ago who found a
round stone that was flat on both sides and the guy wheeled that thing
around while his friends called him "nuts"
One day he tried rolling the thing uphill until a dinasaw came along
and ofcourse he ran like hell but the stone cought up with him and
killed him. So the guy who invented the wheel and was called a "nut"
passed away And the name of the man that invented the wheel remains a
mystery for ever, even tho his nuts were preserved to be used a few
centuries later to make a vehicle by Henry Ford.

There is no glory to be obtained by thinking outside the box!

John Smith wrote:
wrote:
Art,

You'd get a lot more people who would be able to listen to what you're
saying if you drew a picture and posted it somewhere.

Dan


Dan:

I think we have arrived at the quantum/nano level here, you know,
entangled particles, particles which can be in two places at once,
particles which exceed the speed of light, it is a no mans land.
Indeed, it takes guts to just attempt a discussion on the subject ...

We tend to think at large levels, wavelengths traversing long stretches
of conductors, whole capacitor plates, etc. Naturally, even if one is
stating correct facts on a quantum level he is going to called an
idiot--if he attempts to even advance a theory which encompasses the
above, who can resist laughing? None-the-less, it is true, the world of
physics becomes upside down (apparently, with our present
understanding.) Who can tell a "nut" at this level, everyone is going
to look the same here. grin

Regards,
JS

art wrote:
John, about being a"nut" when you think out of the box people havent

Art:

Lighten up. I am not afraid to be termed a "nut", if there is some sort
of evidence there is something which needs to be looked at, discussed,
thought about--I'll be right there up to my arm pits.

The nay sayers, those who claim everything has already been discovered,
those who claim we already have all the answers and all is
understood--they stand as chaff in the wind to me.

Many you deal with here are technicians. They are well versed in
standard formulas, techniques and methods. I hear them saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it!" To a certain extent, they are quite correct.

Thinking is just a hobby with me, as is amateur radio and electronics.

I work in software for a living, thinking out of the box is a not a
luxury here, it is a requirement. Unless there is good reason you do
something unique/different/quicker/shorter/more efficient/more
compact/etc. they will hand your job to china or india!

Take all I say with a grain of salt ...

Regards,
JS

art wrote:
Cecil, I can't get this on my computor just a mix of letters here and
there Any suggestions

Is your email address in your heading correct?
If so, I'll email the file to you.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

You obviously do what I and my son do. He works as a consultant at
Southern Cal and he was the one that got Biology work bench off the
ground where others could not bring it together when he was at Illinois
U. Now he really thinks outside the box. On the otherhand my sisters
boy who is a director on the Rupert Murdock set up is about strictly
following a particular line
Go figure

John Smith wrote:
art wrote:
John, about being a"nut" when you think out of the box people havent

Art:

Lighten up. I am not afraid to be termed a "nut", if there is some sort
of evidence there is something which needs to be looked at, discussed,
thought about--I'll be right there up to my arm pits.

The nay sayers, those who claim everything has already been discovered,
those who claim we already have all the answers and all is
understood--they stand as chaff in the wind to me.

Many you deal with here are technicians. They are well versed in
standard formulas, techniques and methods. I hear them saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it!" To a certain extent, they are quite correct.

Thinking is just a hobby with me, as is amateur radio and electronics.

I work in software for a living, thinking out of the box is a not a
luxury here, it is a requirement. Unless there is good reason you do
something unique/different/quicker/shorter/more efficient/more
compact/etc. they will hand your job to china or india!

Take all I say with a grain of salt ...

Regards,
JS

"art" wrote in message
snip quasi-techno-babble

where can i get some of whatever you are on??