I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport
because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a
cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and
I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep
warm and it had spread across the front
..............SAN FRANCISCO............
Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling?
I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of
coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I
doubt it

art wrote:
. Art was
being an invidious pig and I called him on it.

snip and I was responding to an invidious pig
When he stops these snide attacks on me then things
like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on
all this because he says he enjoyes it
So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log
that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have
been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is
and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP
in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others.
You only have to go back a few posts to see
examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway
I can until he stops..... His choice
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

As I said earlier, it is his choice Over ten or more years on this
newsgroup
I have witnessed a lot of trashing by him and others, but with me
it is going to be different. I can dish it out also....... and with a
vengance !
Again... his choice. I have no wish to join others in this newsgroup
where
crude rudeness is common but it appears that some want the newsgroup
to go that way. As for hobbies antennas are my hobby
so I am not going anywhere.tho others who don't like
it can go where they please.
One day John it may be your turn and you can play
gentleman if you want to because that is taken as a sign of
weakness here leaving you more prone to insults.
Learn fencing before it happens



John Smith wrote:
art wrote:
. Art was
being an invidious pig and I called him on it.
...

Art:

Lighten up. If this fails to be a fun diversion, hobby, pursuit for
you, take up another hobby man!

When you cite richard for taxing your patience, do you ever think you
might tax others?

If you are going to give some fencing instructions, expect to take some
... perhaps this game is best suited for gentlemen?

Regards,
JS

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t...

snip

One of the strangest cases of corona that I ever
saw was a ham driving down CA Highway 1 near Monterrey
in the fog. It looked for all the world like he had
a reddish light on top of his whip. The CA highway
patrol even stopped him for it. I don't know if
he got a ticket or not.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I have heard it described on Navy ships but I've never seen it myself. One
name is Saint Elmo's Fire. Googling for "st elmo's fire" corona produces
quite a good lot. (Without the word _corona_ you get too many hits for the
movie, St Elmo's Fire.")

"Sal"

art wrote:
. Art was

being an invidious pig and I called him on it.


snip and I was responding to an invidious pig
When he stops these snide attacks on me then things
like this wouldn't happen Richard declined my hand on
all this because he says he enjoyes it
So as somebody said I am not here to be a lump on a log
that people feel they must take a hack at. Tom you have
been around this group for a long time and know how Richard is
and I am determined not to be trashed into oblivion like CHIP
in the face of attacks from him , Roy and others.
You only have to go back a few posts to see
examples of his trash towards me and I will retaliate, anyway
I can until he stops..... His choice

73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH



Calm down, Art. Reg Edwards (PBUH) managed to stay in good humor
when he was the recipient of Richard's little bons mots, and you can
do at least as well as Reg in this regard. Chip managed to hold his own
without sinking to the level of a thirteen year old, and you can do that
too. (Although a few of Chip's alter egos were pretty far gone on the
puerile side.) You should emulate Cecil. He has the
hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument (he never wins
one, either). As for your feelings about San Francisco, it's not like
you think it is, and even if it were, at your age no one's going to
ask you to play drop-the-soap no matter how eager you might be to
join the fun.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

YUP! I liked that phrase and shamelessly stole it, right in broad
daylight in front of a crowd of onlookers. ... - and Mama said I'd
never amount to anything . . . jeez...

denny

Richard Clark wrote:


antenna is a "convertor"
You are robbing Art's rice bowl.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Actually, at the time I typed that, the thought rattled through my head
that I ought to set up a wind tunnel (ala the Wright Bros) and test to
see what the difference is between dry, charged wind and the same with
dust in it... Then the reality that there are only 29 hours in a day
popped up...
Had I followed my druthers I would have wound up a professor of
physics, or some such, at some minor university where I would have made
the doctoral candidates lives miserable by insisting that they do their
dissertation on such real world stuff instead of the meaningless trivia
that most dissertations I have read in recent decades represent...
Probably it is far better for them that I drifted off into the dark
side of the force, instead..

denny

Cecil Moore wrote:
Denny wrote:
That dry wind will cause high voltage charging -and arcing- of
insulated antennas and static noise, especially on long wires - that
this is mostly friction charging, a similar mechanism to rubbing silk
on glass, though charged body impact of dust may be relevant...

One wonders if only nitrogen and oxygen molecules
rubbing on copper can cause that effect.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it.
Maybe its not the shirt.



"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport
because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a
cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and
I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep
warm and it had spread across the front
.............SAN FRANCISCO............
Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling?
I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of
coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I
doubt it

Jim Kelley wrote:
Your radio doesn't actually hear clear down to DC, does it? :-)

Doesn't matter since I can't hear DC anyway. If the
charge striking the antenna is a DC pulse, part of
the released energy extends into the RF region whether
the event is linear or not.

The effect is heard as a result of the charge striking the antenna, thus
changing the charge on the antenna. As you know, for a given
capacitance, a 600 volt dielectric couples charge just as well as a 1000
volt dielectric. In such a case the 'pop' is capacitively coupled
broadband noise. But whether the antenna is insulated or not, looped or
not, the static noise is due to a rapid (albeit small) change in charge
on the antenna being coupled by some means into the receiver.

Your idea assumes linear displacement current, i.e.
charge transfer around the dielectric. My idea assumes
charge transfer through the dielectric, i.e. a tiny
nonlinear breakdown of the dielectric. We can haggle
over the exact physical mechanism but the result is
probably the same in either case and maybe a combination
of the two. The thicker the dielectric coating on the
antenna wire, the lower the precipitation noise from the
antenna. That has been proved to be true for airplane
antennas moving through air. Seems relativity would hold
true for air moving past antennas.

It would make sense that the amount of static noise coupled from
the environment would be proportional to the coupling capacitance.
Knowing that charge tends to gather on a surface, the thicker the
'dielectric', the lower the capacitance.

It would also make sense to say the thicker the dielectric,
the smaller is the chance of a nonlinear event. I sure wish
I had not kissed my girlfriend on her ear ring 50 years ago
after sliding across plastic seatcovers wearing wool pants.

So is precipitation static a linear or nonlinear event? Or
a combination of the two? Does it matter?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Tom Donaly wrote:
You should emulate Cecil. He has the
hide of a Texas rhinoceros and never loses an argument ...

Tom, I have lost lots of arguments. When I am
proved wrong, I immediately switch sides and
hope that nobody remembers me being wrong. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I suppose if it fits you then you blend in and are accepted
I didn,t want to be accepted I suppose don't ask don't tell rules

Jimmie D wrote:
Funny I have a San Francisco T and NOBODY giggles at me when I wear it.
Maybe its not the shirt.



"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
I remember being stranded at Chicago O Hare airport
because of snow conditions so I wasted time by putting my baggage in a
cart and walked around. While doing this some people were giggling and
I didnt know why until I realised that I had donned a sweater to keep
warm and it had spread across the front
.............SAN FRANCISCO............
Do you think I went back and asked them why they was giggling?
I knew why..... so I took off the sweater and went for a nice cup of
coffe with a smile to myself. Would you like to have that sweater,? I
doubt it