With the future sale of a chunk of old tv @ 700Mhz, we will soon see
questions about these antennas for a new breed of hardware ...

In the mean time, the FCC is going to assure large telecom corps to
maintain and expand their strangle hold on services, this will start
getting you up to speed:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20108087/

Our criminal political system shafts us yet one more time ... :-(

Regards,
JS

helmsman wrote:

One more time? They are still trying to run BPL thru the Amateur and
Emergency bands.
Regards,
JS


Due to irrational responses, claims and reactions from persons who have
never had experience with BPL, broadband over power lines is making slow
progress--but it is happening ... too bad naysayers can hold up
important progress over their selfish and petty interests.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/... 4&newsLang=en
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/07/17/2788782.htm

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:

Due to irrational responses, claims and reactions from persons who have
never had experience with BPL, broadband over power lines is making slow
progress--but it is happening ... too bad naysayers can hold up
important progress over their selfish and petty interests.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/... 4&newsLang=en
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/07/17/2788782.htm

It's interesting that you quote a Google source. Google invested $100,000,000
in BPL, which makes them IMHO part of the problem, not the solution.

Exactly which countries besides the U.S. have allowed it after testing it?

Geoff.

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John Smith I wrote:
helmsman wrote:

One more time? They are still trying to run BPL thru the Amateur and
Emergency bands.
Regards,
JS


Due to irrational responses, claims and reactions from persons who have
never had experience with BPL, broadband over power lines is making slow
progress--but it is happening ... too bad naysayers can hold up
important progress over their selfish and petty interests.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/... 4&newsLang=en
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/07/17/2788782.htm

Regards,
JS


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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Exactly which countries besides the U.S. have allowed it after testing it?

Geoff.

I am afraid I "hear" that question as:

1) Exactly what countries developed the A-Bomb, before the USA?

2) Exactly what countries developed the desktop computer, before the USA?

3) Exactly what countries walked the Moon, before the USA?

4) Exactly what countries had "real" stealth aircraft, before the USA?

5) Etc., etc. ...

If we waited for other countries, we'd be in real trouble now, wouldn't we?

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:

[UPDATE!]

http://www.betanews.com/article/Open... ht/1186090379

P.S. If you run an ancient newsreader, beware the text wrapping ...

Regards,
JS

Hello Mr. Smith,

I still find BPL risky for any gains it might bring forth. As some
broadband providers are looking to push into/beyond ethernet data rates,
BPL brings to the table sub par data rates with the risk of RFI into a
regulated natural resource.

BPL could be nice as a backup system, but it is my opinion that a high
speed infrastructure is needed.

It has been really handy that the Mom and Pop grown Cable industry has
provided some of this infrastructure.

If we are looking to do this without laying new cable, maybe a cellular
structured microwave wireless network would work. I thought the new
Wi-Fi was to provide for this?

Regards,

Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:
If we are looking to do this without laying new cable, maybe a cellular
structured microwave wireless network would work. I thought the new
Wi-Fi was to provide for this?

Here in Israel, the Electric company is NOT allowed to sell Internet
access. Planning for the day they will, they have laid fibre optic
cables along all of their right of way. Currently they use it for
their own internal data communications.

BPL will never be approved here. It was tested and found to cause
interference. Here the IDF which is a combination of the Army,
Navy, Air Force, Civil Defense, Department of Emergency Preparedness,
Homeland Security, all rolled together takes a dim view of radio
interference.

While we are a small country, they expect to be able to maintain
communications using HF and low band VHF.

Geoff.

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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:


Here in Israel, the Electric company is NOT allowed to sell Internet
access. Planning for the day they will, they have laid fibre optic
cables along all of their right of way. Currently they use it for
their own internal data communications.
...
Geoff.


Here in the USA we have manufactured "shortages" to manipulate the law
of supply and demand. We have also let our antitrust laws become
"trampled." Here, very large corporations manipulate the public as if
they are children; these children have become very stupid and have no
vision or common sense. To worsen matters, large corporations have
bought our government officials and news media; the population is now
fed lies, half-truths or simply no facts at all ...

We invented fiber optic cable, however, we will probably be the last in
the world to have our whole country with easy access to it--it is not in
the telcos best financial interests to see us all with dirt cheap
internet access. However, some work against these large corps and
attempt to find ways around their manipulations; BPL is but one example
of this.

The 700Mhz freqs in question is/are a very good example of this, which
is now playing out. Many wish to see these freqs cheap, with abundant
access and choices of uses and out from under the direct manipulations
of self-serving corporations/politics. However, this is not in the best
financial interests of the "powers which be."

700Mhz (or, nationwide cheap fiber optics, for that matter) would be
preferable to BPL, however, BPL has the possibility of being able to
escape the large political/corporate controls; but, as you can see in
the articles about 700Mhz, the billions are already being gotten
together by the "evil empire" to buy your future and rent it to you at
VERY inflated prices--here in the good 'ole USA ...

Your mileage, as well as your country, may vary ... Robin Hood rides in
the form of BPL--sometimes; even Google can appear as the Dragon-Slayer
in this sad Greek comedy/tragedy which plays before our eyes ... in
America. :-(

Amateur Radio and its' importance just stands as a pale ghost in
comparison to the dramatic figures in this play ... the amateur
community were warned--long ago; few paid attention--now it is too late.

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Exactly which countries besides the U.S. have allowed it after testing
it?

Geoff.


I am afraid I "hear" that question as:
...

A very 'Rumsfeldian' response, i.e, rephrasing the question so as not to
have to answer, snipped.

Why don't you answer his question?