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![]() "John Passaneau" wrote in message ... Hi Mike: I have those books if you can't find them. Many shield rooms also have a shield of soft iron as well as the copper. The soft iron shields against magnetic fields. The traditional modular shielded enclosure has become standardized to a design of 4' x 8' x 3/4" panels, held with a "hat & flat" clamping rail system. Each panel is a sandwich of a sheet of galvanized steel, plywood and another layer of galvanized steel. The steel is often about 24 gauge. This is a trade-off between weight, manufacturing ease, and durability. The galvanizing ensures good conductivity at the joints. The steel does give you a bit of LF H-field SE, but the real reason for the steel is that it's just a whole lot cheaper that copper screen, and lasts better, since the SE doesn't degrade and it isn't nearly so vulnerable to puncture. If you want serious H-field shielding, you need to go to thick steel (welded) chambers, or employ exotic alloys (expensive, and physically & magnetically vulnerable). Ed wb6wsn |
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![]() "Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Ed Price wrote: "Remember to use hardware cloth for the screen." In my experience, the screened room was constructed of copper insect wire screen. All seams and joints were soldered. As in pre-fab rooms, the room was double screened. Both sides of the wooden studs were screened to make a copper box inside a copper box. Every penetration was carefully screened and bypassed. The door was shielded and had low resistance contacts all around. We were able to accurately make very sensitive measurements in our screened room which was sited in the center of a very high power shortwave broadcast plant with many transmitters, usually simultaneously operating in at least 3 bands. One band predicted as the optimum working band for the path and, the same program simultaneously transmitted on the next higher and next lower bands, just in case. We had several languages and target areas at nearly all times during all 24-hour days. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI The Lindgren "double-shielded" copper screen rooms may have had some theoretical SE advantage over double-skin panels where the inner & outer skins were joined at every clamp rail. OTOH, whatever advantage the design might have had was, in practice, negated by the nearly doubling of fasteners. The wood frames in those copper mesh screen rooms were notorious for changing dimension due to atmospheric humidity, resulting in a "breathing" effect that worked to loosen all those fasteners. A periodic re-torque of all fasteners was advisable. Since you went to the extra effort to solder all your seams (the floor seams too g), you created a considerably better than average screen room. My comment about hardware cloth being soldered at each crossover was meant to point out that the copper screen isn't bonded that way. (For one thing, the small wire spacing would create enough surface tension in molten solder or zinc to completely fill the holes, so it would be rather hard to create wire-to-wire crossover bonds without resulting in a solid sheet.) In my experience, new screen rooms, with bright & shiny copper screen, can yield an 80 dB SE or better. But, after a couple of years exposure to atmospheric oxygen, the copper forms a decent layer of copper oxide (remember, the wire cross-overs are not gas tight), and the SE degrades by 20 to 30 dB. (This is independent of the clamped or soldered panel seams.) I haven't found any practical way to reverse this degradation. If you have a very-used screen room (like one that's been stored on pallets for a few [dozen?] years), you will see that the screen is very oxidized. The best you can do when assembling this old room is to scrupulously buff the panel clamping areas until the copper shines again. (This is delicate, get too aggressive, and you will tear the screening!) I once tried to merge two mid-size, old double-shielded screen rooms, by soldering the merge line with a patch of new copper screen. This was horribly labor intensive, as cleaning the old copper screen well enough to flow the solder was really tough. Trying to solder over your head is also an experience to avoid at all costs. Also, about the "door with low resistance contacts." The copper screen rooms usually are not strong and rigid enough to properly maintain perfect alignment of the heavy door leaf. You need to periodically check the contact action of the (typically) beryllium copper fingerstock. Look for shiny rub marks on the mating frame surface. Very well designed modular rooms will use a heavy, solid frame to carry the door leaf. Another factor is the heavy mechanical loading of the door and frame compressing the long perimeter of fingerstock. Unless well-built, both leaf and frame can bend under load, giving you a poor low-impedance joint. Knife-edge doors are less of a problem with compressive forces, but then, they need even more precise alignment registration to work well. Getting back to the OP, I thought that he was asking about a shield over equipment, not a room volume. For HF, the 1/4" cloth will work as well as copper screening, and will allow much better air circulation. As I pointed out earlier, his biggest problem will be bonding the cloth to his heavy aluminum plate chassis. Ed wb6wsn |
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![]() "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ed Price wrote: Remember to use "hardware cloth" for the screen. This material is galvanized steel, and the galvanizing "solders" every crossover point. !/4" mesh is fine for HF. Your problems will be the penetrations, as Mike described. Also, you will need to bond the cloth to the aluminum. Soldering would be best, but that would only work for a copper or tin-plated steel chassis. You will have to clamp the cloth to the chassis, possibly using lengths of bar stock with screws every inch or so. Don't forget to polish the aluminum area that contacts the cloth just before assembly. Get it down to shiny aluminum; aluminum oxide is an insulator, and you need good conductivity across the joint. Good point and thanks Ed! I was thinking of hardware cloth, and this would give me a reason not to switch from it. There will ba an access port in the shield, but I can design a recessed portion of the shield to keep it continuous. - Mike KB3EIA Remember to never rely on the hinge of a port cover to provide a bond path. Best practice is to use the hinge mechanically only, and have the leaf come down on a full perimeter of a compressible conductive gasket. Beryllium copper fingerstock, mating against a strip of copper, is best for high usage ports. If you don't operate the port very much, you can use a folded-over length of knitted wire mesh facing onto the hardware cloth. Just remember to ensure that the gasket is compressed all along its length. Ed wb6wsn |
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