I am worried about what is legal and what is not legal.

Hi Thomas,

Then sifting legal advice from ad-hoc postings is a poor remedy for
worry.


I agree with you, however this is not the intelligent answer I was looking
for.

I like to think there are people that participate in certain newsgroups that
are more knowledgeable on specific topics than I am. If I start asking
questions to the FCC or ITU it will be a huge drawn out process. I was
hoping someone knew the answer so I wouldn't have to go that route.

Thomas

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:59:05 GMT, "Thomas Magma"
wrote:

I am worried about what is legal and what is not legal.

Hi Thomas,

Then sifting legal advice from ad-hoc postings is a poor remedy for
worry.


I agree with you, however this is not the intelligent answer I was looking
for.

Hi Thomas,

I hesitated to jump in at:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:47:22 GMT, "Thomas Magma"
wrote:
So now how can I test my ELT
antenna installation on my aircraft if I'm violating FCC rules?

Where the intelligent response would have been "What about FAA rules
or CFR 91.207(2)(d)(4) (where you would struggle to qualify as an
inspector)?"

As I have been authorized to work under both authorities (I've done
plenty of Navigation Aids, transmitters and Flight Recorders) that
particular question seemed to evidence a struggle in the tarpits.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Thomas Magma" wrote in message
news:dGlzi.84070$fJ5.16631@pd7urf1no...
I am worried about what is legal and what is not legal.

Hi Thomas,

Then sifting legal advice from ad-hoc postings is a poor remedy for
worry.


I agree with you, however this is not the intelligent answer I was looking
for.

I like to think there are people that participate in certain newsgroups
that are more knowledgeable on specific topics than I am. If I start
asking questions to the FCC or ITU it will be a huge drawn out process. I
was hoping someone knew the answer so I wouldn't have to go that route.

Thomas


Au contraire. In the past I have queried the FCC on a number of issues and
received prompt and definitive replies. Doing thus gives you the FCC stance
on the issue -- not the News Group guesses

Lamont

Denny wrote:
We have had regulation of RF emissions since 1912... I have been an
active ham for 45 years... I have read most of the back issues of QST
over the years, clear back to the start.... I keep up (mostly) with
regulatory and enforcement actions that affect hams....
Never, ever, have I run across an action by the FCC against a ham for
using a piece of test gear that radiates low power signals...

Perhaps not against hams, but cases of FCC enforcement actions against
commercial users of test equipment have occurred. A typical case is
radiating on an antenna test range with a bit too much power, or without
the necessary experimental Part 5 license. There are also cases of
companies getting tagged for doing things like testing a radar, but
that's something designed to radiate, not a piece of test gear.

The general rule is, if they can't detect it at the property line,
you're probably legal.

Perhaps not against hams, but cases of FCC enforcement actions against
commercial users of test equipment have occurred.

Jim, I am a pilot, etc. I am aware of enforcement actions against
radio repair stations for radiating excessive power on the same
frequency as the VOR on the field, etc... But, I was very specific in
my comments... No enforcement action against a ham for using test
equipment - ever - insofar as I know... This is so unlikely as to
equal betting on the Megamillions Lottery this weekend, for several
reasons... The first reason is that we are licensed to radiate those
emissions in the first place... The second reason is that
unintentional interference must be accepted in the ham bands per the
regulations... The third is, Rily has a sense of humor...

73 - denny

Thomas Magma wrote:
I am worried about what is legal and what is not legal.
Hi Thomas,

Then sifting legal advice from ad-hoc postings is a poor remedy for
worry.


I agree with you, however this is not the intelligent answer I was looking
for.

Why? Are you seriously worried about getting arrested for using an
antenna analyzer?

It's really time to step back and take a deep breath, Thomas. If you
can get wrapped around the axle about this non-issue, there are plenty
more legalistic pitfalls in amateur radio to give you an ulcer.


I like to think there are people that participate in certain newsgroups that
are more knowledgeable on specific topics than I am.

If what you are looking for is specific written words blessing the use
of antenna analyzers, I doubt that such a thing exists. Then again, I
haven't looked for anything either. People have been sending tiny
amounts of RF up their antennas to find out things about it since before
Methuselah, selling and buying instruments of apparent contraband
without anyone getting too excited. 'Til now.

Respectfully suggest that you start looking for your evidence. Most of
us are happy to assume that when used for the intended purpose, an
antenna analyzer is legal and acceptable. If you think it might not be -
and I have to assume that you do, do the research and prove it.

That's my answer. You can decide if it is intelligent or not ;^)


If I start asking
questions to the FCC or ITU it will be a huge drawn out process. I was
hoping someone knew the answer so I wouldn't have to go that route.


It might make for part of Riley's speech at Dayton next year... ;^)

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Denny wrote:
Perhaps not against hams, but cases of FCC enforcement actions against
commercial users of test equipment have occurred.

Jim, I am a pilot, etc. I am aware of enforcement actions against
radio repair stations for radiating excessive power on the same
frequency as the VOR on the field, etc... But, I was very specific in
my comments... No enforcement action against a ham for using test
equipment - ever - insofar as I know... This is so unlikely as to
equal betting on the Megamillions Lottery this weekend, for several
reasons... The first reason is that we are licensed to radiate those
emissions in the first place... The second reason is that
unintentional interference must be accepted in the ham bands per the
regulations... The third is, Rily has a sense of humor...


As Homer Simpson once mused:

"Can God Make a Burrito that is too hot for him to eat?"


It was a well deserved citation against that radio repair station. And
the antenna range too. But neither of those are the same issue.

But since we have descended from the sublime into the ridiculous, I have
noted that it is occasionally possible to accidentally make a QSO with
another OP while connected to a dummy load. I've done this a number of
times on PSK31.

Are there specific rules and limits to the radiation from dummy loads?
And if not, are Dummy loads illegal?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:
People have been sending tiny
amounts of RF up their antennas to find out things about it since before
Methuselah, ...

Mike, do you really think the Nephilim were people?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

In article ,
Michael Coslo wrote:

But since we have descended from the sublime into the ridiculous, I have
noted that it is occasionally possible to accidentally make a QSO with
another OP while connected to a dummy load. I've done this a number of
times on PSK31.

Are there specific rules and limits to the radiation from dummy loads?
And if not, are Dummy loads illegal?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

It IS possible to radiate from a Dummy Load, enough energy to commuicate
with another station. Example. Years ago, I was a Traveling Radioman
for the old Northern Radio Company of Seattle, Washington. I had a
Northern N550 MF/HF SSB 150W PEP Transceiver on the testbench connected
to a Bird 1 Kw Dummy Load. I was doing a final tuneup on the
Transmitter, which was Crystal Controlled, and one of the channels was
KMI @ Point Reyes California, the AT&T HighSeas HF Station for the
Pacific. As I was testing with a two tone Audio Test Signal, I heard
the KMI Operator come back with a "Who the heck is on my input Freq
on KMI-1201?". We carried on a nice chat for about 5 minutes, and I
called him on the Landline after that for another 30 minute chat. He
said he routinely got signals from Radio Shops, doing tuneups on
his Calling and Working Frequencies, when the Band was Wide Open.
His Receiving Antenna Array was a set of Phased Rhombics, steerable
over a 270 degree Arc to the West.

Bruce in alaska AL7AQ ex-FCC Field Inspector for Alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
People have been sending tiny amounts of RF up their antennas to find
out things about it since before Methuselah, ...

Mike, do you really think the Nephilim were people?

I guess it depned on whther you thing they were descended from the
begatten of Seth and Cain or the Anakim.

I wonder if they used an antenna analyzer on the Ark??
;^)

You been out of town? I haven't heard much from you lately.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -