snip
Isn't life good when things come to a successful end such that the
time has come around again as it always does to throw the old books
away of past generations and go with books of the new generation?
Best regards to all
Art Unwin..KB9MZ..... ex UK


Art
Science is about building on the foundations of the past and not about
throwing away books. The old methods of calculation still work fine, its
just that in the light of new knowledge we can refine the methods to produce
more accurate results. All of our achievements to date have been built on
the foundations laid down by past generations and it is foolish and
dangerous to dismiss or ignore any part of history. Never, ever throw away a
book - well maybe the ones by Catherine Cookson et al :-)
Regards
Mike G0ULI

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:21:29 -0700, art wrote:

Isn't life good when things come to a successful end such that the
time has come around again as it always does to throw the old books
away of past generations and go with books of the new generation?

Are you quoting Gobbels now?

This "golden city on the hill" fluff hardly describes any antenna of
remarkable ability. The alternative is so much misty eyed and fond
desires (superstition) like a pre-teen girl's scribbling into her
diary.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:45:00 -0700, art wrote:

Now I have Richard firing his nonsense across my bow with the
credentials of a degree in geography that trumps all others in the
hope that he can get somebody to talk to him.

Seems to have worked ;-)

Oh, by the way, it is a degree in English (you know, the country you
hate - now THATS geography).

By the by, I see you still lean on MIT who left here misquoting
Feynman and having mixed up his math (at least you both can have a
reunion when your next anniversary comes up).

Can I anticipate another sob story about how wicked we are here? (Boy,
those "gentlemen of eham" sure stomped your ego.)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

wrote:

I'd ignore him. The moron can't even read properly...
I see no text written where you tell Art to shut up, or even write at
a lighter
shade of print for that matter..
I think "John Smith", or "Bret", or whoever the heck he really is,
would prefer
that Art brainwash all the unsuspecting readers into thinking what he
writes
is true fact without question. Who cares if it's total BS or not, it's
new!
"John Smith" doesn't care if it's all BS or not, just as long as it's
some
new theory that seems to contradict old established theory.
He has shown repeated disdain for proven established theory.
He thinks that being most that wrote it are either dead, or in an
advanced
age state, that obviously it can't fit in with the "New World Order"
of
code toads that dabble with antennas on occasion.
After all, most lived decades ago. What could they possibly know
compared to a code toad that is living in the early part of the 21st
century?

I envision him as the type that probably believes most of what he
hears on
Coast to Coast AM..

Did I mention that he's a prime time smartass?
Probably not needed, being you got a taste first hand.
Don't worry about looking like an idiot. Anyone with half a brain can
see where that dubious honor really belongs..
It might have to be shared by two people though... :/
But at least Art is not really a smartass. I'll give him that.. He's
just
confused... I have much less problem with that, than I do a smartass.
Art is confusing the minds of new or unsuspecting readers with all
his "theory" though. Thats why he gets so much flak.
Some of his stuff makes the "EH" antenna guy actually look sane
by comparison.. And thats kinda scary... :/
MK


Idiots never cease to amaze me--and OMG, there is a NEVER ENDING SUPPLY!

PLONK

JS

art wrote:

...
Art Unwin..KB9MZ..... ex UK


Art:

Although I may, or may not, agree or share your exact visions,
questions, assumptions, etc., only fools move to stop discussion,
debate, experimentation and new ideas. I think it is quite
apparent--for every one success a man will ask a thousand questions--try
a thousand things. The easy stuff has all been done--the more difficult
lays before us. Those before us never thought they left a completed
work but only wished for others to follow behind them and further their
thought, experiments and discovery.

Hang in their, almost every concept we now accept (until better presents
itself) was scoffed at and belittled, men have been imprisoned, and
worse for even challenging accepted principals and thinking ...

Hang in their, asking questions has never hurt. Just choose those more
capable to interact with. Interacting with self-important morons never
bears fruit ... and you know about news groups.

Regards,
JS

On 23 Sep, 18:22, John Smith wrote:
art wrote:

...

Art Unwin..KB9MZ..... ex UK

Art:

Although I may, or may not, agree or share your exact visions,
questions, assumptions, etc., only fools move to stop discussion,
debate, experimentation and new ideas. I think it is quite
apparent--for every one success a man will ask a thousand questions--try
a thousand things. The easy stuff has all been done--the more difficult
lays before us. Those before us never thought they left a completed
work but only wished for others to follow behind them and further their
thought, experiments and discovery.

Hang in their, almost every concept we now accept (until better presents
itself) was scoffed at and belittled, men have been imprisoned, and
worse for even challenging accepted principals and thinking ...

Hang in their, asking questions has never hurt. Just choose those more
capable to interact with. Interacting with self-important morons never
bears fruit ... and you know about news groups.

Regards,
JS

Fully understood. Odd thing is that 73 magazine used to make a good
living by printing details of various antenna
building and I admit I built a few of them.Ihave described the
modifications needed for the new university antenna and for some
reason see no reason to build it because it is a dud. I know you built
the university antenna to check it out for yourself but I don't know
of anybody who did the same thing to verify the claim. So it goes for
the simple modification I supplied which if I am wrong gives loads of
ammunition to every body to shoot me down once and for all with
factual details but they seam scared to search for the truth. In the
absence of knoweledge usually resort to insults and name calling and I
see you got such a burst today. Remember that time when a guy appeared
with his new NEC 4 program and wanted to model a simple arrray I
supplied? Nobody would help him in checking things out and it took a
personal E mail from somebody who did not want to be identified to
help him with the proper useage of the program. It proved the veracity
of what I had supplied dispite the lachof assistance to prove me
wrong.
As yet nobody with knoweledge of the state of the art has taken me on
with respectto what I have discovered. I have had posts given where I
believe the central theme was poetry, others who said they couldn't
understand despite posts given by a Doctrate holder, ofcourse there
are many like the blasting that you just got which should invite back
the multi posters that decimated several newsgroups. What I am doing
is sharing my work so all can enjoy but if hams are satisfied with
lesser antennas because of the poor conditions so be it. But to try
and stop thespreading of a particular advance to protect their so
called resumes as being experts is really hard to fathom. I thought it
would be a delight to all if somebody refuted the mathematics given
but only silence reigned and then joined by name calling. Look at
todays posting, how many were devoid of insults and name calling, I
think that they finished up in the majority so what does that say
antenna talk by hams?
I am beginning to wonder with the spectrum being in such demand if the
FCC would be justified in selling the amateur frequencies since it is
certainly not the same when the frequencies were given, a listen to
repeaters or a review of newsgroups going ons must fraustrate them
very much. After the upcomming sale of frequencies which is in demand
by industry I can easily see pressure on ham frequencies which is
costing not contributing to the coffers. The idea that we are a public
necessity was down graded years ago by industries inovative ideas so
hams have a hard time now justifying their position. In the past it
was often said that it was amatures that advanced the cusp of the
science well we sure are not doing that now!
O well let the discussion move away from mathematical analysis of
antennas or new designs and get back to argueing and calling people
names e.t.c. so all can participate including those who are true
hobbyist that do not wish to concern themselves with the engineering
background but who also want to participate in the augument side that
most hams relish.
Have a happy day and goodnight
Art Unwin KB9MZ...ex UK

art wrote:

...
Have a happy day and goodnight
Art Unwin KB9MZ...ex UK


Art:

Let me cut though this BS--straight to the chase; this group would be
better renamed to rec.radio.amateur.EZNEC

If eznec doesn't OK it--it just won't work; All which exists here are
eznec-appliance users.

However, to some who have already built antennas which work, contrary to
eznecs claim they won't, it is quite obvious current beliefs, equations,
charts, theories, etc. are in some degree of error ...

Regards,
JS

"art" wrote in message
The tank circuit is a electrical circuit that is also the circuit
of a full wave radiator regardless of how the extended mathematics
and my work portrays. It clearly shows that release of energy by
shorting the energy source is how an efficient radiating system
works i.e two energy sources continuing a pendulum swing
as it were. Attack that if you wish since the books validate that
without reference to equilibrium or Gauss.
Much clippage, then
With all the above I rest my case especially since nobody has
refuted any of it in scientific terms which includes mathematics.
________

And, Art, you haven't posted the mathematics to prove or even illustrate
what you believe about this -- which would be valuable to you, as your
beliefs are so different from antenna engineering practice and field
experience.

You will have more credibility and respect if you post your mathematical
proof so that others can investigate your beliefs using scientific methods,
rather than persisting in your challenges for others to prove you wrong
based only on your prose.

RF

On 24 Sep, 04:15, "Richard Fry" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
The tank circuit is a electrical circuit that is also the circuit
of a full wave radiator regardless of how the extended mathematics
and my work portrays. It clearly shows that release of energy by
shorting the energy source is how an efficient radiating system
works i.e two energy sources continuing a pendulum swing
as it were. Attack that if you wish since the books validate that
without reference to equilibrium or Gauss.
Much clippage, then
With all the above I rest my case especially since nobody has
refuted any of it in scientific terms which includes mathematics.

________

And, Art, you haven't posted the mathematics to prove or even illustrate
what you believe about this -- which would be valuable to you, as your
beliefs are so different from antenna engineering practice and field
experience.

You will have more credibility and respect if you post your mathematical
proof so that others can investigate your beliefs using scientific methods,
rather than persisting in your challenges for others to prove you wrong
based only on your prose.

RF

Already done all that on this newsgroup. Sweep for Gauss or gaussian
and it will get you up to date
Regards
Art

John Smith wrote:
However, to some who have already built antennas which work, contrary to
eznecs claim they won't, it is quite obvious current beliefs, equations,
charts, theories, etc. are in some degree of error ...

I personally have never had a QSO using a simulated
antenna. :-)

It also works the other way. By accidentally violating
the modeling guidelines, I came up with a simulated
omnidirectional antenna with 24 dBi gain. Want to build
that one?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com