On Dec 20, 6:20 pm, Richard Clark wrote:


**** IRONIC CONTENT FOLLOWS *****

Let's try this theory on for size.

Arthur, I have an antenna the size of a pin head that works 160M with
20 dB gain, when I operatered it from my basement. It uses the
Earth's magnetic lines of force to penetrate soil, rock, and
constructions. By using ultraminiature plates at right angles, the
Poindexter Vectrod takes on a helical twist that steers through
electron orbits to escape the resistorance of nucklei (wich everyone
nose is 100,000 times larger) thus reducing gain by 5 or 3 divisions.
It is provened by Faradsay laws which came before Gus the mangetic
plumber patended the north and south poles.

If you cannot prove this, then goe and warshipyour old dead gods and
put bernt oferings at there feeet because nonething isreally none but
low so eventhough fo' you to go say you no it, it no so - whoa! so
woe, how po'.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Dang.. This is scary.. You mimic Art's bafflegab to a tee...
MK

On Dec 20, 5:45*pm, Roy Lewallen wrote:
Smash wrote:

All multi-band antennas are a compromise. The only "all band antenna"
that exists is an isotropic radiator.

But the isotropic radiator doesn't exist. It's a theoretical construct.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

The best all band antenna I used was in my novice days... A 100 watt
light bulb on the end of a pair roughly 33 foot wires strung up
through a tree... Worked a dozen states one afternoon on 15 and 40,
then worked the locals on 80 that night... The Knightkit T-100 loaded
up just fine on that all band antenna... I don't think it was
isotropic, but it sure did blink when being keyed.. The neighbors
came over wondering why it was Christmas in September.... That was
cycle 19... What a great time we had...

denny / k8do

On Dec 21, 5:01*am, wrote:
On Dec 20, 2:44 wrote:

Your education in radiation tho limited is commensurate with your
age and
experience,certainly not up to par for the future generation but
enough to
satisfy your particular life expectancy segment.

I don't recall reading anything about your level of education
in things RF. I seem to recall you are a retired mechanical
engineer dabbling with things RF in your spare time.
It seems fairly obvious to me that your education in radiation
can't even deal with the present tense, much less the future.
I would strongly consider this before braying like a jackass
to every person you talk to that *does* have an education in
things RF.
But it is possible that if you do that, you will lose much of
the entertainment value that you provide. *:/
So go ahead.. Make our day with even more RF bafflegab.
Like I once said, you make the EH antenna guy look fairly
sane by comparison. * :/
MK

On Dec 20, 12:03*pm, art wrote:
It can be seen that a fixed radfiator hasd a primary frequency and
then some harmonic frequencies.
The spacing and the resonant points of an antenna resides in the
amount of resistance in the cuircuit
from zero upto a critical point as with a tank circuit. This
resistance value has the action of bringing the radiator
vibrational amplitude to zero where it then takes of to a diminishing
value compared to other componenents in the circuit to the point that
where the radiator is resonant the contained resistance has negnigable
effect.
Thus one can make a folded dipole with a variable resistance in the
radfiating circuit such that the main resonant point can be determined
as well as the spacing between the harmonic frequencies.
In addition, if the radiator consists of increased induntance designs
such as contra windings then the distance between the resonance point
and the harmonic points begin to decrease.
Thus using the above one can now make a all band antenna where the
resonance points line up with the desired frequencies.
An easy way to accomplish this is to wind wire on a dielectris from
end to end and back again several times
until one has wound at least two wave lengths on the former and then
feeding the arrangement at the beginning and ending wire points. Using
a mfj 259 one can then determine the spacings of the resonant point by
stretching the windins as well as adding the required variable
resister. Note. the resistance absorbs the energy between
resonance points and diminishes in effect as the point of resonance is
aproached. For more understanding of the radiation format of radiators
review the circumstances of voltage overshoot with respect to tank
circuits
The above will provide an alternate discussion thread that will take
away the current tunnel vision aproach
with respect to "black boxes" and bring the newsgroup back to the
advancement of antenna techniques if it is that that peeks one's
interests.

By the way, it is the ELECTROMAGNETIC field that launches the
particles from the radiating surface and it is the MECHANICAL REACTIVE
FORCE that provides the mechanical resonance of the radiator *WHICH
JOINS THE THEORIES OF NEWTON AND . MAXWELL that Einstein struggled for
in vain.


Somebody has beat you to it. Theories, like advice, are free so they
exist everywhere. At least this one has some math (though fallacious)
behind it:

See:

http://www.allanstime.com/UFT_private/final2.htm

The Fundamental Field Equation

The following equation is fundamental in understanding how the force
fields interact and come together for this new unified field theory:


D = (E/c*G)/A2*


where D is the relativistic density, E is the energy of the unified
field, c is the velocity of light, G is the universal gravitational
constant, and the last part of the equation, / A2*, will be explained
below. D and E are tensors with eigenvalues and quantum states
associated therewith.

*"A2" should read "capital Pi, sub-2"

Density Dependence, D
The density D is the dependent variable; changes in the energy (energy
flow in and out of a region) cause changes in the density. For
example, the energy flow to and/or away from any space-time continuum
along the diallel lines determines the corresponding change in the
density in that space-time continuum. Appreciating the energy field at
the particle as well as in a region is central to the understanding of
this theory. The energy can come from any of the force fields. For
example, both equations apply: E = mc2, where m is the relativistic
mass and E = hv, where "h" is Planck's constant "v" is the
electromagnetic frequency of the photon.

Energy can come from the other force fields as well. Later we will see
some spectacular and very important examples of this interplay of the
force fields.

Parallel Component (A2)
A dimensional analysis of the above equation reveals that A2 has
dimensions of length, time and mass as the force fields interact. The
forward slash "/" denotes being parallel in the unified field theory's
mass-space-time continuum along the local diallel lines. The "sub-2"
on the "A" denotes the energy coming in or going out in the mass-space-
time continuum along the diallel lines in the local environment or
region.

Combining the energy with this term we have E/Pi2. Hence, we see that
this denotes the energy per mass, per length and per time taken in the
parallel direction of the local diallel lines. The quantity in the
denominator of equation(1), cG, is the normalizing factor, so that the
dependent variable, D, is the density factor taken in the parallel
direction of the diallel lines. It is the density that is the
principal resultant output after combining the energy from the force
fields.

Since the subscript "sub-2" denotes the energy from all sources coming
into or going out of the local environment or region, a "sub-1" is
implied for the energy, E, and the resulting density, D, as the
recipients of the net energy coming in along the diallel lines into
the environment or region.

wrote:

Somebody has beat you to it. Theories, like advice, are free so they
exist everywhere. At least this one has some math (though fallacious)
behind it:

See:

http://www.allanstime.com/UFT_private/final2.htm

The Fundamental Field Equation


Hey, any theory that "Explains how whales communicate over very long
distances using ULF frequencies" can't be all bad.

I wonder if the whales communicate in phase or if they are shifted?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:44:31 GMT, Gene Fuller
wrote:

Hey, any theory that "Explains how whales communicate over very long
distances using ULF frequencies" can't be all bad.

I wonder if the whales communicate in phase or if they are shifted?

Does this suggest this topic is deeper than whale shift?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On 21 Dec, 12:39, wrote:
On Dec 20, 12:03*pm, art wrote:





It can be seen that a fixed radfiator hasd a primary frequency and
then some harmonic frequencies.
The spacing and the resonant points of an antenna resides in the
amount of resistance in the cuircuit
from zero upto a critical point as with a tank circuit. This
resistance value has the action of bringing the radiator
vibrational amplitude to zero where it then takes of to a diminishing
value compared to other componenents in the circuit to the point that
where the radiator is resonant the contained resistance has negnigable
effect.
Thus one can make a folded dipole with a variable resistance in the
radfiating circuit such that the main resonant point can be determined
as well as the spacing between the harmonic frequencies.
In addition, if the radiator consists of increased induntance designs
such as contra windings then the distance between the resonance point
and the harmonic points begin to decrease.
Thus using the above one can now make a all band antenna where the
resonance points line up with the desired frequencies.
An easy way to accomplish this is to wind wire on a dielectris from
end to end and back again several times
until one has wound at least two wave lengths on the former and then
feeding the arrangement at the beginning and ending wire points. Using
a mfj 259 one can then determine the spacings of the resonant point by
stretching the windins as well as adding the required variable
resister. Note. the resistance absorbs the energy between
resonance points and diminishes in effect as the point of resonance is
aproached. For more understanding of the radiation format of radiators
review the circumstances of voltage overshoot with respect to tank
circuits
The above will provide an alternate discussion thread that will take
away the current tunnel vision aproach
with respect to "black boxes" and bring the newsgroup back to the
advancement of antenna techniques if it is that that peeks one's
interests.

By the way, it is the ELECTROMAGNETIC field that launches the
particles from the radiating surface and it is the MECHANICAL REACTIVE
FORCE that provides the mechanical resonance of the radiator *WHICH
JOINS THE THEORIES OF NEWTON AND . MAXWELL that Einstein struggled for
in vain.

Somebody has beat you to it. Theories, like advice, are free so they
exist everywhere. At least this one has some math (though fallacious)
behind it:

See:

http://www.allanstime.com/UFT_private/final2.htm

The Fundamental Field Equation

The following equation is fundamental in understanding how the force
fields interact and come together for this new unified field theory:

*D = (E/c*G)/A2*

where D is the relativistic density, E is the energy of the unified
field, c is the velocity of light, G is the universal gravitational
constant, and the last part of the equation, / A2*, will be explained
below. *D and E are tensors with eigenvalues and quantum states
associated therewith.

*"A2" should read "capital Pi, sub-2"

Density Dependence, D
The density D is the dependent variable; changes in the energy (energy
flow in and out of a region) cause changes in the density. For
example, the energy flow to and/or away from any space-time continuum
along the diallel lines determines the corresponding change in the
density in that space-time continuum. Appreciating the energy field at
the particle as well as in a region is central to the understanding of
this theory. The energy can come from any of the force fields. For
example, both equations apply: E = mc2, where m is the relativistic
mass and E = hv, where "h" is Planck's constant "v" is the
electromagnetic frequency of the photon.

Energy can come from the other force fields as well. Later we will see
some spectacular and very important examples of this interplay of the
force fields.

Parallel Component (A2)
A dimensional analysis of the above equation reveals that A2 has
dimensions of length, time and mass as the force fields interact. The
forward slash "/" denotes being parallel in the unified field theory's
mass-space-time continuum along the local diallel lines. The "sub-2"
on the "A" denotes the energy coming in or going out in the mass-space-
time continuum along the diallel lines in the local environment or
region.

Combining the energy with this term we have E/Pi2. Hence, we see that
this denotes the energy per mass, per length and per time taken in the
parallel direction of the local diallel lines. The quantity in the
denominator of equation(1), cG, is the normalizing factor, so that the
dependent variable, D, is the density factor taken in the parallel
direction of the diallel lines. It is the density that is the
principal resultant output after combining the energy from the force
fields.

Since the subscript "sub-2" denotes the energy from all sources coming
into or going out of the local environment or region, a "sub-1" is
implied for the energy, E, and the resulting density, D, as the
recipients of the net energy coming in along the diallel lines into
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The main hang up in the trend to alternate aproaches to Newton such as
the relatavistic aproach is the inability to bring gravity into the
picture
based on the laws of Newton, and without gravity one cannot have a
unified
theory which is the holy grail of today. The theory provided presented
nothing
that combined electro magnetic forces with those of gravitation. The
article
presented provided two theories both of which depend on the other and
without
connection to any known principles of science. Thus without a solid
starting
point based on known science there cannot be a meaningful review and
would
never be accepted as such.( The theory has not qualified for a review
as yet)
My aproach is based on existing laws where equilibrium and gravity is
inherrent which is a solid starting point to provide a trail that
connects
to electro magnetic fields ( the stated parameters for a unified
theory
which presently has not been achieved). The mathematical trail is so
simple
it is somewhat audacious in that by adding a time varient to a law
that is
based on gravity and equilibrium per Newtonian terms we have found a
direct link
to the laws of Maxwell. But that really is not the pot of gold !It is
the trail
rules with respect to equilibrium that provides the advances in
science which
shows that a radiator can be of any size or shape or elevation pattern
but also
an array of such elements which, being in equilibrium, requires just
one feed point
thus obtaining gain over any other array while occupying a smaller
volume.
So theories are fine but if you cannot use them in actuality to
provide an
advance in science then they are just words without justification.
I am comfortable with my 160 meter antenna on top of my tower that has
no
equal with respect gain versus volume occupied, all of which is a
direct
derivative of the law of Gauss.
The same goes for the resonant points which is the subject of this
thread
since it also duplicates the tank circuit around which the connection
of
gravity and magnetic fields exists. By doing this the universal theory
is again given a morsel of reality with respect to existing laws.
Everybody have a merry Xmas. And try not to be overbearing to those
gathered around you
Art

art wrote:

The main hang up in the trend to alternate aproaches to Newton such as
the relatavistic aproach is the inability to bring gravity into the
picture
based on the laws of Newton, and without gravity one cannot have a
unified
theory which is the holy grail of today. The theory provided presented
nothing
that combined electro magnetic forces with those of gravitation. The
article
presented provided two theories both of which depend on the other and
without
connection to any known principles of science. Thus without a solid
starting
point based on known science there cannot be a meaningful review and
would
never be accepted as such.( The theory has not qualified for a review
as yet)
My aproach is based on existing laws where equilibrium and gravity is
inherrent which is a solid starting point to provide a trail that
connects
to electro magnetic fields ( the stated parameters for a unified
theory
which presently has not been achieved).

I think you might be on to something, Art. I believe gravity is at
work, lowering the radiation angle of my big tribander.


Everybody have a merry Xmas. And try not to be overbearing to those
gathered around you
Art

Why, Merry Christmas, Art. Those gathered around me (not because of
gravity, but because of common affection) will be quite safe as long as
none of them expounds on crackpot antenna theory.

Dave K8MN

On 21 Dec, 16:23, Dave Heil wrote:
art wrote:
The main hang up in the trend to alternate aproaches to Newton such as
the relatavistic aproach is the inability to bring gravity into the
picture
based on the laws of Newton, and without gravity one cannot have a
unified
theory which is the holy grail of today. The theory provided presented
nothing
that combined electro magnetic forces with those of gravitation. The
article
presented provided two theories both of which depend on the other and
without
connection to any known principles of science. Thus without a solid
starting
point based on known science there cannot be a meaningful review and
would
never be accepted as such.( The theory has not qualified for a review
as yet)
My aproach is based on existing laws where equilibrium and gravity is
inherrent which is a solid starting point to provide a trail that
connects
to electro magnetic fields ( the stated parameters for a unified
theory
which presently has not been achieved).

I think you might be on to something, Art. *I believe gravity is at
work, lowering the radiation angle of my big tribander.

Everybody have a merry Xmas. And try not to be overbearing to those
gathered around you
Art

Why, Merry Christmas, Art. *

Because that was the beginning of what is good in this world.
Even his cruel death can not stop the ground swell.
Maybe the comming nuclear bomb on his birth place may bring
good reason for speedier change!




Those gathered around me (not because of
gravity, but because of common affection) will be quite safe as long as
none of them expounds on crackpot antenna theory.

Now I see why you upset people



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On 21 Dec, 18:57, "AI4QJ" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

...
On 21 Dec, 12:39, wrote:
(snip)

Have you read anything by Professor Gabriel Oyibo?

No. I am just a retired mechanical engineer which puts me at the
bottom of the totem pole with respect to most subjects,
especially physics and radiation where we have a large
amount of experts in those fields residing on this very
newsgroup.
I do have Plank's lectures and an assortment of fields and waves
type of thing plus the normal radio and electrical engineering
reference books and ofcourse many of the Terman books
which I imagine is normal for most G.E. engineers who worked
in the industrial controls area. Today I worked on repairing
a 50 inch plasma set for a change thus getting away from antennas.
Art