Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Egad, another senility eruption.

Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Charles Seife:

"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance,
... Quantum physicists are forced to conclude
that the vacuum isn't truly empty. It is seething
with particles and energy."

"Casimir effect: The ability of the ZERO-POINT
ENERGY, the particles constantly winking in and
out of existence, to exert a force. Predicted
by Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir, the Casimir
effect has been measured."

Reckon all quantum physicists are senile?

Aye Captain.

Those words move evermore towards undeniable, each and everyday ... the
question? A very valid one ...

Warm regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
I believe it is also what is referred to as "the weak force"

Magnetism is one aspect of the electromagnetic force.
The "weak force" is associated with atomic nuclei.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
But the new pictures of light-waves do suggest they travel a medium
which exists, ...

One of my books on the subject calls it the "quantum soup".

And, again, very much in few words ...

And, what a strange "soup", indeed ...

Even a simple observer can change what "soup" finally emerges from the
quantum-soup-can! Be it, chicken? Beef? Vegetable? chuckle

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
I believe it is also what is referred to as "the weak force"

Magnetism is one aspect of the electromagnetic force.
The "weak force" is associated with atomic nuclei.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force

Cecil:

You have a real talent for those "simple statements" of yours; you
know?; the ones which end up provoking arguments/discussions which are
never-ending ... you must excuse me, I have a prior appointment ... wink

However, in the end yawn, just another elephant with three different
blind-men "taking a look" at it ... straight-faced-look and a chuckle

However, as "correct" as possible, seen from the "perspective" we
presently stand upon ... ;-)

Warmest regards,
JS

On Sep 15, 8:11*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
I believe it is also what is referred to as "the weak force"

Magnetism is one aspect of the electromagnetic force.
The "weak force" is associated with atomic nuclei.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil, if one follows the above url to electroweak interaction it
states the connection between electromagnetic
and the weak force interactionas emminating from a single force ie
weak force is part and parel of the
primary force. In radiation a time varying magnetic field also creats
the circulating field ( parity of forces).
such that eddy currents matches the description inferred by the above
electroweak interaction .
Personally I see both interactions as being one and the same thing. In
the path to this segment it infers the weak force
is also in free space and it is that I do not understand, as the root
cause of action is the intersection of two separate
magnetic fields and the amalgamation of two forces producing a
triangle of forces summation
in three dimensional form ( three movements of freedom required for
stabalization).Thus the mystery is how two magnetic fields are created
and more important WHEN !
Art

Art Unwin wrote:
Personally I see both interactions as being one and the same thing.

If you mean that they have been unified, that is correct.

In the path to this segment it infers the weak force
is also in free space and it is that I do not understand, ...

Understand that free space is not empty. There
exists a quantum structure about which not much
is yet understood. Google "dark mass" and
"dark energy". Everything that we can see and
measure appears to be about 5% of what exists.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Sep 15, 8:01*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Egad, another senility eruption.

Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Charles Seife:

"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance,
... Quantum physicists are forced to conclude
that the vacuum isn't truly empty. It is seething
with particles and energy."

"Casimir effect: The ability of the ZERO-POINT
ENERGY, the particles constantly winking in and
out of existence, to exert a force. Predicted
by Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir, the Casimir
effect has been measured."

Reckon all quantum physicists are senile?
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

I reckon most are not although some may be. However, Seif is currently
an associate professor in New York University's Journalism Department
with a Masters in Math. He is nowhere near the caliber of a quantum
physicist which would render your point moot, would it not?

On Sep 15, 8:58*am, John Smith wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Egad, another senility eruption.

Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Charles Seife:

"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance,
... Quantum physicists are forced to conclude
that the vacuum isn't truly empty. It is seething
with particles and energy."

"Casimir effect: The ability of the ZERO-POINT
ENERGY, the particles constantly winking in and
out of existence, to exert a force. Predicted
by Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir, the Casimir
effect has been measured."

Reckon all quantum physicists are senile?

Aye Captain.

Those words move evermore towards undeniable, each and everyday ... the
question? *A very valid one ...

Warm regards,
JS- Hide quoted text -

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What, the "amazing" revelation that particles exist in space, even
though for all practicle purposes it can be treated as a vacuum?

On Sep 15, 12:17*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
Personally I see both interactions as being one and the same thing.

If you mean that they have been unified, that is correct.

In the path to this segment it infers the weak force
is also in free space and it is that I do not understand, ...

Understand that free space is not empty. There
exists a quantum structure about which not much
is yet understood. Google "dark mass" and
"dark energy". Everything that we can see and
measure appears to be about 5% of what exists.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

That theory does seem to explain some recent observations. However, it
is still theory, not absolute fact as you seem to proclaim above
("THERE EXISTS A QUANTUM STRUCTURE about which not much is yet
understood"). The structure may or may not exist. I have no problem
with it since nothing says that all matter must be in the form of
nuclei, protons that can be combined in an orderly manner to form
something large enough that we can "see". In fact, it likely does not
exist physically as "matter"; rather, the theory is simply a concept
that explains some observations. Given that matter is 'anything that
occupies space AND has mass" dark "matter" could be any entity (like
energy, that is a known entity) that can be shown to have a mass
equivalent and behaves like mass under certain conditions as photons
do. Certainly we are a long way from saying that this is an ether or
medium that supports the transmission of TEM waves.

wrote:
I reckon most are not although some may be. However, Seif is currently
an associate professor in New York University's Journalism Department
with a Masters in Math. He is nowhere near the caliber of a quantum
physicist which would render your point moot, would it not?

As a matter of fact, it would. From Webster's:
"moot - (1) open to discussion"

Here's what Charles Seife says under "Acknowledgments":
"A lot of people helped me write this book: it's not
possible for me to name them all. Over the past few
years I have interviewed dozens of physicists,
cosmologists, and astronomers who took the time to
explain the nuances of their work to a journalist.
I thank them for their enthusiasm and their patience.
They are the reason I wrote "Alpha and Omega" in the
first place." The Bibliography is pretty impressive.

But feel free to try to disprove the Casimir effect.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com