Cecil Moore wrote:

... In the meanwhile, you could disprove
that cause and effect by proving that "TEM fields (waves)
can propagate outside of the universe in the complete
absence of a space structure.

Excellent choice of words ...

Regards,
JS

On Sep 15, 11:04*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
The structure may or may not exist.

Think about it. If you were somewhere where the
structure of space didn't exist, you would be
outside of the boundaries of our universe.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

This is not relevant to the orginal discussion. The discussion was
about what you said was the structure of space and which I said may or
may not be the structure of space. You changed the topic to address
the question of one's existence inside or outside of said structure.
This of course is a bizzare notion since the existence of a locus in
which someone or some thing can exist outside the bounds of our
Universe has not been proven or even proposed in non-fiction science.

On Sep 16, 12:28*am, John Smith wrote:
wrote:

* ...

do. Certainly we are a long way from saying that this is an ether or
medium that supports the transmission of TEM waves.

So, let's call it "whipped bananas" and let it go at that ...
traditionally, it has been called the ether or aether ... I just tend to
follow the tradition of the men who first defined it ...

Regards,
JS

Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness? Not all volumes of space are
necessarily occupied by any form of matter.

wrote:

...
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness? Not all volumes of space are
necessarily occupied by any form of matter.

Really? I am afraid no one can possibly agree with that most-bizarre
statement ... unless space is occupied by the "matter of space", it
ain't space.

Remember these steps:

1) Engage brain.

2) Open mouth. (or, place fingers on keyboard)

3) Make intelligent sounds. (or, type meaningful sentences)

4) Repeat as necessary ...

ROFLOL!!! Brother, my wife and I just love your slap-stick-humor!
Makes me miss the Three Stooges ...

Regards,
JS

wrote:
This is not relevant to the orginal discussion.

On the contrary, this is the crux of the original
discussion - whether a wave can exist outside the
structure of the universe, whatever that may be.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

wrote:
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
...
I want to share with you one problem that I have on the above subject
When placing a yagi in free space the computor programs supply a gain
figure
where according to my thinking the root cause for ejection is the
intersection of two magnetic field.How this happens with a yagi is a
matter of conjecture. Any pointers?
Performing the same with an arrangement in equilibhrium there is no
gravity and yet gain is shown. This leads to four posabilities

4 The concept of initial reliance on equilibrium as preached by the
masters is incorrect and my reasoning is in error

HOORAY! He finally got the right answer!!!

On Sep 16, 5:15*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Why must there be an "it" through which TEM waves proagate? Why cannot
they propagate through nothingness?

Because the only thing that can propagate through
nothingness is nothing. That should be clear to
the most casual observer.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

That would be true if the casual observer did not consider truly empty
space to be nothingness. I do. I do not believe that truly empty space
is "something" because to believe otherwise would be to assume that
nothingness only exists outside of our Universe... nothingness would
not "be" but we define it, so it "is". We know that TEMs can
propagate through truly empty space because TEM waves propagate
through space, some of which must be "empty" space and some of which
is "occupied". I agree that some locii of space, but not all, are
characterized by a wide variety of quantum particles, perhaps only
some of which actually occupy the space associated with them. Bottom
line is that such particles are not required for TEM waves to
propagate and they are not the aether.

On Sep 16, 5:14*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
This is not relevant to the orginal discussion.

On the contrary, this is the crux of the original
discussion - whether a wave can exist outside the
structure of the universe, whatever that may be.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

The crux of the question concerned the physical makeup of the
structure of the universe. Then you addressed the issues regarding
entities which can or cannot exist inside ot outside the structure.
The discussion on the makeup of the structure was never closed. You
put the cart in front of the horse.

wrote:
That would be true if the casual observer did not consider truly empty
space to be nothingness. I do.

That's obviously a logical contradiction. Space is
something. If space is there, then something is there.
If nothing is there, then space cannot possibly be
there.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com