Roy Lewallen wrote:

...
Hope for what? Magic? The tradeoffs inherent in electrically small
antennas are well known, and each design requires intelligent
application of that knowledge to come up with an antenna that's
acceptable in size, form factor, and performance for that particular
use. Many, many antennas now being designed and ones in common use are
electrically small -- the ones in your car's remote control key fob,
your Bluetooth USB dongle or cell phone earpiece, and embedded in RFID
tags are just a very few examples. With the increasing use of wireless
devices, the need for electrically small antennas has grown rapidly, and
there are a number of good texts devoted to that specific topic. These
texts contain a good treatment of the tradeoffs involved and useful
ideas for designs using currently available technology and materials,
but no new fundamental theory.

Advancements in the art will continue to come with intelligent and
clever application of established theory by people who understand the
theory and how to apply it, not from tinkerers who lack this knowledge
and conjure their miracles by vague hand-waving and bad measurement.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Ahh, the "magic man" himself is here ... the guy who write a simplistic
interface to feed a text file to the real NEC engine ...

My gawd man, carry on, we await you wisdom ...
smiling-out-the-one-side-of-ones'-face

With all DUE respect,
JS

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
In this instance, I said what I meant, and meant what I said, and
You're popeye the sailor man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would seem a self styled code wizard would know how to cut and
paste the code he objects too for all to see. Unless, of course,
assembly wizard means someone who folds cardboard into boxes.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:40:38 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
Brett, what a feeble way to support your own statements. Above you
say you already have the code and have located a bit... Your dog ate
your homework?

all that is left is to point out

Plenty of wheezing, but not a whisper of support for your own
statement.

WHACK-A-TROLL!

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I am going to tell you, once and for all. I have tolerated your limited
mind, I have overlooked your shortcomings, I have treated you like you
belong ... you do not.

You have repaid this with being obnoxious, ignorant, short on anything
relevant to the arguments, discussions, and debates here ...

You fall one brick short of a full load ... if you were going to
demonstrate better, you would have done so by now ...

I really refrain from this, and save it to the last ... however, you
have squarely requested it ... and I have granted it.

Be damned with what you have invoked ... and may it fulfill what you
seem to desire ... if I am the only one to recognize this, then so be it.

Regards,
JS

Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
In this instance, I said what I meant, and meant what I said, and
You're popeye the sailor man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would seem a self styled code wizard would know how to cut and
paste the code he objects too for all to see. Unless, of course,
assembly wizard means someone who folds cardboard into boxes.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I have but one work you are consigned to ... ignorant ...

Regards,
JS

Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:40:38 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
Brett, what a feeble way to support your own statements. Above you
say you already have the code and have located a bit... Your dog ate
your homework?

all that is left is to point out

Plenty of wheezing, but not a whisper of support for your own
statement.

WHACK-A-TROLL!

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Or, to summarize, these spires are not for you to roost upon and
defecate upon, they are for you to shooed away from!

Begone, oh pigeon brained! (and Shakespeare would even know that!)

Regards,
JS

Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:53:54 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
In this instance, I said what I meant, and meant what I said, and
You're popeye the sailor man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would seem a self styled code wizard would know how to cut and
paste the code he objects too for all to see. Unless, of course,
assembly wizard means someone who folds cardboard into boxes.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

However, now that I have expounded and embraced my utter disgust and
disrespect for you, and so tarnished yourself, let me continue; you are
one of the most ignorant men I have had the displeasure of encountering
in this hobby!

You stand as very notable, but to degrees most men find despicable. You
have, indeed, made yourself notable to me; I can only wish to fathom
why you would have chosen such dark, questionable and detestable means
to do so?

If your "good ole' buddies have a word to say for you, now would be the
time ... I fear I feel like engaging all you like ...

YOUR IGNORANCE DOES NOT PASS MY SCRUTINY ... but then, that is what you
wanted ... for what purpose? Perhaps you can enlighten?

Regards,
JS

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:14:22 -0700, John Smith
wrote:
It would seem a self styled code wizard would know how to cut and
paste the code he objects too for all to see. Unless, of course,
assembly wizard means someone who folds cardboard into boxes.

However, now that I have expounded and embraced my utter disgust

It is a curious thread. You have made any number of very clear
propositions offering testable statements, and you can't supply the
least scintilla of evidence, example, case, illustration, instance,
representative, sample, or specimen in their support. Well maybe a
cupful of specimen where, no doubt, this last comment of yours runneth
over.

Brett, if your own statements lead you to such embraceable disgust
(what a concept), imagine how others perceive them. :-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
treetonline...
Sal M. Onella wrote:.


snip

If all the money the Air Force could throw at a problem didn't come up
with
some magic, do we have a lot of hope???

Hope for what? Magic?

snip

By "magic" I meant the development of technology that was heretofore
unidentified, not some false illusion by a conjurer. I agree with the
essential need for "clever application of established theory ... [etc]" as
you so eloquently stated.

In that sense, the IC was magic. (Sorry if I seem to liken technology too
much to magic.)

On Oct 5, 10:28*pm, "Sal M. Onella"
wrote:
"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message

treetonline...

Sal M. Onella wrote:.

snip



If all the money the Air Force could throw at a problem didn't come up
with
some magic, do we have a lot of hope???

Hope for what? Magic?

snip

By "magic" I meant the development of technology that was heretofore
unidentified, not some false illusion by a conjurer. * *I agree with the
essential need for "clever application of established theory ... [etc]" * as
you so eloquently stated.

In that sense, the IC was magic. *(Sorry if I seem to liken technology too
much to magic.)

If the USAF crew all read the same books before their journey then
they all had the same experience many times over.
What it takes is imagination and the will to deviate from the well
trodden paths where different experiences and views
empower men to challenge the old based on experiences that others have
not travelled. It then takes a generation
for those that failed and snarled at the new to leave the scene so
that later research turns up the more recent past
and thus reinvents the wheel. Einstien left classical physics because
he could not find the key for the Universal laws
and probed into the science of relativity purely to gain a different
perspective or view of the former problem which required
a move away from the well trodden path to get the answer.
Unfortunately he died before finding the answer but was on the right
track
in not assuming that all was known because of the high number of
failures before him who all trod the same path and arrived at the same
destination.

Richard Clark wrote:

...
Brett, if your own statements lead you to such embraceable disgust
(what a concept), imagine how others perceive them. :-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Makes you wonder what Einstein might have said on the subject, doesn't it?

"A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly
superior to that of man." -- Albert Einstein

Regards,
JS