In article ,
Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick wrote:

The radio would be for emergency communications anyway, to trucks in
the -immediate- vicinity.

The 4 "LADD" frequencies are used by the scale houses up there, as well.

I'd offer a "metoo" for some advice you got from another poster... do
NOT operate unlicensed. Don't even install a radio for which you
don't have whatever license is required by the law in the areas in
which you will be driving.

Planning to use the "Officer, it's only for emergency use" response,
when challenged, could be a very expensive tactic. You might find
out, the hard way, that the local regulatory body takes a "possession
is considered proof of intent to use" approach... even if you don't
get hit with criminal charges or a civil forfeiture order, you could
find that your radios are considered de facto "contraband" and are
subject to being seized without warning.

Here in the US, unlicensed operation could get you hit with equipment
confiscation and a fine of many thousands of dollars.

If you want to operate VHF, you should either get a proper license
(e.g. for business-band frequencies) or stick to radios which have no
legal requirement for a license. For example, here in the U.S., the
MURS (multi-use radio service) is a collection of a few VHF
frequencies (formerly licensed-business-band) which have been
reassigned, and which can be used without a license as long as the
radio you use is properly certificated for this purpose.

I don't know if Canada has a MURS-equivalent, or if any of the
truckers up there use it. Check the regulations before you buy.

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"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick wrote:

The radio would be for emergency communications anyway, to trucks in
the -immediate- vicinity.

The 4 "LADD" frequencies are used by the scale houses up there, as well.

I'd offer a "metoo" for some advice you got from another poster... do
NOT operate unlicensed. Don't even install a radio for which you
don't have whatever license is required by the law in the areas in
which you will be driving.

Thanks, but don't put too much stock in the idiot.

I don't chat on the radio, regardless of how he tries to project his own
activities on others, and from what I can discern so far, no license is
required.

I notice Richard the expert hasn't provided any such information, either.

Possibly you're not aware of this, but unlicensed 10 meter radios with
in-line amps are quite common in our trucks, and openly sold (although one
major truckstop chain was, I believe, fined after several warnings)
everywhere.

I'll be happy to get a Canadian license if I can, but, I don't need or
intend to use the licensed business frequencies.

So, if as I understand, -that's- what I need a license for, I have no need
for one.

From the cite: "The Canadian equivalent of the FCC has a site in which it
post Northwind Trucking as 165.840 MHZ.. Now in Canada they do not partition
the VHF High band into commercial 151-162 and Government 162-174 like we
do.. they are all over the place. Also They provide unlicensed LADD channels
which are used alot by trucks Ladd 1 -154.1 Ladd 2 -158.94 Ladd 3- 154.325
and Ladd 4 173.370.. Again they are all over the place with stuff up there.
Most of the action on Inuvik is on VHF. Nothing appears to be on 30-50 MHZ
and the Hospital and Airport are using UHF."

"They provide unlicensed LADD channels which are used alot by trucks"

"They provide unlicensed LADD channels which are used alot by trucks"

"They provide unlicensed LADD channels which are used alot by trucks"

"They provide unlicensed LADD channels which are used alot by trucks"

Where I drive is not where you live.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye87...43959490865794

That radio may mean the difference between freezing to death or not, or,
literally, being eaten alive.

"Officer, it's only for emergency use" is certainly preferable to that,
and, grossly unlikely anyway.

I've been through a score of vehicle inspections, with an illegal kicker
in -plain sight-, and nobody gives a damn.

They're a whole lot more concerned if we have brakes, and are sober.

Contrary to Stupid Richard's rantings, I've never seen an FCC roadblock in
35 years of driving.

Planning to use the "Officer, it's only for emergency use" response,
when challenged, could be a very expensive tactic. You might find
out, the hard way, that the local regulatory body takes a "possession
is considered proof of intent to use" approach... even if you don't
get hit with criminal charges or a civil forfeiture order, you could
find that your radios are considered de facto "contraband" and are
subject to being seized without warning.

Here in the US, unlicensed operation could get you hit with equipment
confiscation and a fine of many thousands of dollars.

I'm sure that's true.

If you want to operate VHF, you should either get a proper license
(e.g. for business-band frequencies) or stick to radios which have no
legal requirement for a license. For example, here in the U.S., the
MURS (multi-use radio service) is a collection of a few VHF
frequencies (formerly licensed-business-band) which have been
reassigned, and which can be used without a license as long as the
radio you use is properly certificated for this purpose.

I don't know if Canada has a MURS-equivalent, or if any of the
truckers up there use it. Check the regulations before you buy.

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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message m...

Thanks, but don't put too much stock in the idiot.

You sure put a lot of stock into the idiots Dave Ruff, Shawn and
realitytrasher and the lies you post prove that asshole.

So why are you calling anybody else an idiot when you put so much stock into
Idiots just like Dave Ruff, Shawn realitytrasher and John/nightruanch do?

More at:
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"richard" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:51:28 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
wrote:

"Zeke" wrote in message ...
uuuuhhhh..... you're wrong as usual Bulli****.

Top was career Military and got his commo expertise there. IIRC he's
not a truck driver at all.


Exactly, a matter of public record here that Richard has seen several
times previously, and just forgot.


Since this thread is going to groups who do not know me, I will try to
clairify the lies here.

snicker

Here's Richard's esteemed military career (and how he was caught lying
about it): http://bolo_bullis.tripod.com/

First, that is an exact copy of my dd214 acquired under the FOIA.
It states I served. Unlike the lies that promulgate from it that says
I did not.
2nd, why is the word before "discharge" blacked out?

No one wonders "why".

You've had three or four decades to get a new one, and you don't, and
we -know- why.

That was not done
by the US goverment. It was done to make it look more damning.
I never claimed to be anything I was not. I said I never got beyond
boot camp and my highest rank was E1. The dd214 confirms that.
I said I had enlisted for the ASA but never got involved with it.
While others claimed I had claimed to be super secret spy or in
special forces. Most of those lies were all created by "Just Taylor".


What's amazing is that Richard and I were just discussing what a total,
absolute and complete asshole he makes himself look like every time he
tries
to make himself look tough or smart at anyone's expense.

I'm not saying I am smarter than many, in this thread I have been
trying to point out that a lot of information given in this thread is
totally wrong. As have others. Why don't you pick on them, asshole.

But whether you're right or wrong, Richard, you can't state anything
without a demeaning attack on others, usually embarrassingly incorrect, like
you just did to Top.

It's because of your angst and poor self-esteem, probably because of the
inbreeding.

And not man enough to correct yourself, from your flagrantly idiotic rant
about Top being "billy bigrigger" (when he doesn't drive truck), a term you
use frequently, that describes, well, you and Roger, more than anyone else
here.

If Top was wrong, you could have -easily- made your point without being
abrasive, as others did, yet you attacked.

Which is why -you're- always attacked.

Because you DESERVE it, Richard.

You actively -earn- the animosity of others, because you CAN'T KEEP YOUR
****ING MOUTH SHUT.

Of course he can't hear a word of that, and immediately starts this.

Richard, who is also a career pedophile and damn proud of it, has had,
and
will always have, the same problem, and that's that he just can't keep his
festering gob shut.

Pedophile being defined here

No, Richard.

No.

Not "pedophile being defined" however it's convenient to you.

Pedophile -has- a definition, and I've posted it many times, with your
grossly inapropriate posting history.

It's a matter of -permanent- record, Richard, and you can't spin puppy
**** into butterscotch pudding.

as a person who others claim is a
pedophile because the damning word sticks to more feeble brains than
any other word. No one has ever proven, in 10 years, that I am, have
been, or currently am, a true pedophile. It's nothing more than ill
words on a screen.


What amazes me is that he's skunked a dozen usenet groups over the
years,
is internationally know as a scumbag, but still sees the world through his
own rose colored glasses, like we might have forgotten his previous and
extensive bombast and flummery.

While ****heads like you keep wanting to let the world know about the
past anyway they can. No proof, just a lot of hot air.

I just state the facts, -with- the proof.

You're the one with the revolving definitions and X-files DD214.

You could clear that discharge up -anytime-, and choose to make excuses
instead.

We -know- why, Richard.

Funny, or sad?

Sad boy you are

If I was any happier, I'd have to be -two- people.

and you wore a uniform?

Yeah, for an entire enlistment, imagine that.

I know that's a foriegn concept to you.

God help us all.

Worry about yourself, dude.



--
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"Best thing for him, really. His therapy
was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector.

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"richard" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:29:49 -0800, (Dave Platt)
wrote:

In article ,
Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick wrote:

But hhhhhere's a question for the braintrust:

I'm after a (mobile) VHF radio that's common to northern (i.e., the
Yukon,
and Northwest Territories) Canadian truckers- who don't monitor CB bands.

(info http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=171741

I'm sure, as a sine wave challenged layman, that I can't use the same
antenna and coax as my CB?

In principle, you could combine the CB output (27 MHz) with the VHF
radio output (up above the 2-meter band) using a diplexer, and feed
the result down a single coax.

At the antenna end, you'd have a couple of choices. You can use
another diplexer to split out the HF and VHF signals, and feed them to
two separate antennas. Or, you might be able to find a single CB-type
antenna which is also capable of matching up well enough on these VHF
frequencies to work tolerably well.

The chances are very poor that a randomly-selected CB antenna would
give you a tolerable SWR on the 160-or-so-MHz VHF band... and if it
did, there's no telling what its vertical radiation pattern would look
like. An antenna intended for these two bands would probably have to
be custom designed - I can think of a couple of possible ways to do
it. Such a dualband antenna would almost certainly be a compromise
antenna on both bands - it wouldn't work as well as separate antennas
designed for best operation on a single band each.

Commercial HF/VHF diplexers run somewhere around $80, last time I
looked. You'd probably find it less expensive in the end to just run
a second coax and put up a second (VHF-only) whip antenna.

Trust me. he has no clues as to what you just said.

Not a ****in clue, Richard, and not ashamed to admit it.

What ever it is, I can learn it, teach it to myself.

I'm not afraid to ask questions, like the one that set you off on this
rant, and I'm not afraid to ask for help.

It's -easy- when you're a man.

This fool wants to run a vhf radio in Canada just to talk to Canadian
truckers.

That's all in your mind, a baseless lie you repeat with no evidence.

I've stated, clearly and concisely, what the radio is for.

It's your projection of your own actions that leaves you apoplectic.

I'm sure when you're on the radio that you irritate working drivers for
miles, till they won't respond to you anymore, and then you key the mike on
pathetic country music.

Since -you- do that, -everybody- must...

He thinks those radios can be bought and used just like a
CB.

Well, sort of, yes.

My CB is illegal too... ;-)

And no one gives a -damn-.

My 78 Suburban has a ten meter radio and a boat radio in it, neither with
a license, for twenty years now.

As I have operated radios on 47mhz, held a 2nd class fcc license, I
think I know a lot more than he does.

No one cares.

Still waiting for you, 10 posts later, to provide some actual information
instead of the screeching and wailing.


--
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was going nowhere," -Hannibal Lector.

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"The Honorable Dr. Rocky Roads Presiding Judge" wrote in
message ...

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message m...

Thanks, but don't put too much stock in the idiot.

You sure put a lot of stock into the idiots Dave Ruff, Shawn and
realitytrasher and the lies you post prove that asshole.

So why are you calling anybody else an idiot when you put so much stock
into
Idiots just like Dave Ruff, Shawn realitytrasher and John/nightruanch do?

More at:
http://MTT.DogwasherGoneWild.com

Quit your crying and get over your loss coward, and just go and buy a new
boyfriend doll..

richard wrote in
:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:55:02 -0800,
(Dave Platt) wrote:

In article ,
Top wrote:

Cophase being omindirectional? You need to do some more
reading before you try to correct anything.

The directionality of a broadside array (with the two
radiators fed exactly in phase) depends very strongly on
the separation between the two antennas. For separations
of 1/4 wavelength or less, there's very little
directionality - the pattern is very close to
omnidirectional.

Every dual-antenna truck setup I've seen has been a
side-by-side mounting (e.g. one on the left mirror and one
on the right), and the harness feeds them both in-phase.
I've been assuming that this was what was being meant by
"co-phase".

If so, I stand by my statement that two CB antennas, fed in
phase through a co-phase harness (i.e. no phase difference
between the two), and separated by only 54 inches, produces
a nearly-omnidirectional signal. The two antennas need to
be further apart, before the pattern becomes significantly
directional.

Take a look at the NEC plots at
http://www.cosjwt.com/index.php?a=20 to see... the 4.5-foot
separation model produces a pattern which is almost
circular. There is little gain towards the front and back,
and very little loss off to the sides. These plots seem to
jibe well with other references I've read (Terman, Kraus,
and the graphs in the ARRL Antenna Book).

The other alternative is an end-fire array, with the
antennas fed signals of opposite phase - with these then
there can be significant directionality even with close
spacing of the antennas. In a truck-antenna system, this
would require placing the antennas one in front of the
other, separating them by several feet, and inverting the
phase of the signal sent to one of the two antennas
(perhaps by having the feed coax to one antenna be
1/2-wavelength longer than the other). You could get
several dB of gain this way... but the close spacing will
cause the antenna feedpoint impedance to drop a lot, and
some form of matching network will certainly be required to
keep the radio happy and develop maximum power from the
transmitter.

The two bottom plots on the site I mentioned above, show
the effect of feeding the antennas with signals of
different phase. In these examples, the pattern is being
skewed off to one side - the difference in feedline length
is converting the antenna from a broadside array to an
end-fire array. With the right amount of phase shift, you
end up with a cardioid pattern, with a broad lobe in one
direction and a very deep null in the other.

Ya gots to understand with whom you are trying to
communicate. "Top" is the master know it all who has
absolutely no background in electronics. He just drives a
truck and thinks that gives him the knowledge. You've heard
of "Billy Big Rigger"? You just met the dude. Top just goes
along with what other truckers have said over the years.

I have the actual working experience to back me up with.
The only thing Top knows about CB is how to yack on it.



Dave let's agree to our own experiences.

Now to Richard

You forgot who you are talking to again. Nothing unusual for
you to get things wrong. I don't drive a truck unless you are
talking about a pickup. As far as electronics backround I was
in communications in the Army. I spent a good bit of time in
the field in sitiuations where I had no backup so I had to
know enough to make things work when they broke. I don't mean
simple backpack radios either. Then there was the year I spent
teaching radio wave propagation. Another year teaching
programming small and meduim size telephone switches. In 2005
(well after I had retired) I spent the year assembling boards
to build MRI machines. If you think I have no electronics
knowledge then as usual you brain is no bigger than you little
toe.

richard wrote in
:

On 2 Dec 2008 06:15:20 GMT, Top wrote:

(Dave Platt) wrote in
:

In article
, Douglas
W. \"Popeye\" Frederick
wrote:
I suspect you'd get more bang for your buck by simply
mounting a single antenna in a better location (e.g. roof
mount) and paying attention to making the antenna's
grounding to the chassis/groundplane as direct and solid
as possible.


Cophase being omindirectional? You need to do some more
reading before you try to correct anything.



IF the cophased antennas are less than 1/4 wave apart,
there is virtually no change.


I love it when you make an ass of yourself.

Top wrote:
richard wrote:
IF the cophased antennas are less than 1/4 wave apart,
there is virtually no change.

I love it when you make an ass of yourself.

The ARRL Antenna Book says that with 1/8WL spacing,
one can achieve 4.1 dB gain with a high F/B ratio.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

IF the cophased antennas are less than 1/4 wave apart,
there is virtually no change.

I love it when you make an ass of yourself.

The ARRL Antenna Book says that with 1/8WL spacing,
one can achieve 4.1 dB gain with a high F/B ratio.

Cite, please? For which antenna configuration and phasing?

I believe that the high (4.1 dB) figure you are quoting is for an
end-fire array, with the two antennas being fed 180 degrees out of
phase. Good gain, but somewhat tricky to feed and match due to the
low feedpoint impedance and the potential for high losses.

In a truck-antenna situation this would require placing the antennas
in a front/back arrangement, not side-to-side. I'm told that this is
rarely feasible.

The usual two-antenna truck arrangement I've seen is with antennas
side-to-side (one on each rear-view mirror), fed in phase. This is a
broadside array, not an end-fire array.

From all I can see (ARRL Antenna Book, Kraus, Terman), a two-radiator
in-phase broadside array doesn't start to achieve significant gain
(and pattern non-circularity) until you have at least 3/8 wavelength
of separation between the radiators. A 1/4-wave separation yields
only around 1.1 dB of gain, which (by my calculations) works out to
about a 15% increase in useful range in the preferred direction.

My book's at home, but my recollection is that you can't get 4.1 dB of
gain out of a two-radiator in-phase broadside array until you have
more than 1/2 wavelength of distance between the radiators.

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