Hi Art

it is my experience that people with the greatest mastery of
the queen's english use it with great effect to deflect questions and
to avoid giving straight answers,and to change the subject without you
realising that they have done so. Politicians and Richards 1and 2
being good examples. What i have witnessed going on in your last
couple of threads has not led me to change my opinion.

Your tenacity and conviction in the face of the opposition on
this group is admirable. Stick to your guns, for what it is worth my
money is on you.

Jaro.

On 10 Mar 2004 06:04:26 -0800, (jaroslav lipka)
wrote:
Your tenacity and conviction in the face of the opposition on
this group is admirable. Stick to your guns, for what it is worth my
money is on you.

Jaro.

Ah Jaro!

It takes more than two munchkins to populate the Land of Oz.

Knowing this will irritate both of you, but please the majority who
actually enjoy the addition of new information (this time in the field
of literature) I shall diverge to "The Life of Johnson."

"Even fools received his personal attention.

Said one: 'But I don't understand you, Sir.'

'Sir, I have found you an argument. I am not obliged to find you
an understanding.'

'Sir, you are irascible,' said Boswell;
'you have no patience with folly or absurdity.'"

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
....
'Sir, you are irascible,' said Boswell;
'you have no patience with folly or absurdity.'"

Was that before, or after, he poked Rousseau's wife?
__
Steve
KI5YG
..

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:39:13 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
wrote:


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
.. .
...
'Sir, you are irascible,' said Boswell;
'you have no patience with folly or absurdity.'"

Was that before, or after, he poked Rousseau's wife?
__
Steve
KI5YG

Hi Steve,

There's couple things wrong with that, Who are you referring to and
in what context? Boswell, or Johnson, and certainly not discussed in
"The Life of Johnson" as Boswell was the more, um, adventurous and
more so stated in his "London Journal."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:39:13 GMT, " Stephen Cowell"
wrote:


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
.. .
...
'Sir, you are irascible,' said Boswell;
'you have no patience with folly or absurdity.'"

Was that before, or after, he poked Rousseau's wife?
__
Steve
KI5YG

Hi Steve,

There's couple things wrong with that, Who are you referring to and
in what context? Boswell, or Johnson, and certainly not discussed in
"The Life of Johnson" as Boswell was the more, um, adventurous and
more so stated in his "London Journal."

Of course, Boswell... he ran with the Rousseaus, as well
as everyone else. Hump anything on two legs.
__
Steve
KI5YG
..

(jaroslav lipka) wrote in message . com...
Hi Art

it is my experience that people with the greatest mastery of
the queen's english use it with great effect to deflect questions and
to avoid giving straight answers,and to change the subject without you
realising that they have done so. Politicians and Richards 1and 2
being good examples. What i have witnessed going on in your last
couple of threads has not led me to change my opinion.

Your tenacity and conviction in the face of the opposition on
this group is admirable. Stick to your guns, for what it is worth my
money is on you.

Jaro.

What I can't fiqure out is why he even cares what anyone on here
thinks.
Why doesn't he just build the things and use them? Why the need to
convince us of anything? Heck, I know from modeling that what he
describes can work as far as the tuning device being able to tune the
dipole. "loop/cap/dipole combo. "
I tuned his 20m loop/dipole thing on all bands 20m-10m. I know the
exact cap values needed for each band.
Big deal....
But it's no different than any other dipole as far as pattern or gain.
It's no different than using an autotuner at the feed, T match, or
whatever. His loop and cap is a matching device. Nothing more, nothing
less. And it radiates very little as far as disturbing the dipole
pattern, regardless of what Art seems to think. Also, it doesn't tune
well below the resonant 1/4 wave frequency of the dipole, without
added inductance. All he is doing is placing a tuning network at the
feedpoint of the antenna.
Again, Big deal....I don't see what the fuss is...
I think the main problem he has is that many on this group don't or
won't automatically embrace his design as the best thing since sliced
bread.
But why would they? His antenna is cumbersome, overly complicated,
probably a royal pain to set up,"the patented version", and the gains
over just feeding the dipole or array with say low loss ladder line
and tuner are miniscule, if any. His antenna is just not practical for
*most* people. I sure wouldn't have any use for it at all. I use full
size resonant antennas for the most part. Why would I want to
downgrade?
The way I see it is he has an unhealthy need to *prove* this design.
Seriously.
The guy is obsessed over the thing, and this is not very healthy.
I think he will end up in a rubber room before it's over with, the way
this seems to bother him. Myself, if I were him, I would ignore all,
build it and use it, if thats what he wants. He'll never convince too
many on here of the merits of his antenna, because to most of us, it
has none over what most of us currently use. Any of my 160m antennas
will totally thrash his current small "hi-Q" device. But if it's handy
for him, more power to him. MK

nm5k@w
t.net (Mark Keith) wrote in message

Mark, I cannot stand by while the pack readies itself to attack this
gut
purely because he does not conform with the general group
I will bare myself to the group and then open another thread where you
can renue the assaults on me.
I was a child in England on Sept3 1939,scooling was not an issue, when
war swirles around you the public is rallied to stories of old glories
where England has fought many battles in its history and how in the
corner of any battle fields there lies a mound that contains a piece
of England. When things go wrong then we are reminded of how things
can go wrong in the story of how the king fled from a battle field on
a fiery horse and from which the poetry spills about how for the sake
of a nail a shoe was lost.
After the war I embarked on schooling at night even tho I was also
working but at that time they had raised the school leaving age to 15
so in a way I was lucky. More than a decade later I finally passed all
the examinations required of a professional enginner and was invited
to the U.S. to partake in the good life.
As with all people there is an aging process and you are prone to
things happening that never occured before, mine was a heart attack,
lots of people have those, but in my case a projectile somehow got
loose in my brain severing all the communication wires that had taken
half a century to grow. This phenomina forced me back to near
childhood where one starts the learning proces by toutching and
watching and seeing. Sounds simple but taking that course allowed me
to get of the bed and pursue things. In my case it was to first get my
memory going so I could read ( no I did not make such a logical choice
this is inbuilt human instincts. Eventualy I turned to antennas as it
allowed me to go out on the land and piddle with antennas even tho I
was so, so at evrything
but I was not being judges. To move on quicker, the idea that Brown
had with a loop to detune errant transmissions and over a few years
was rewarded when I read the Moxon book. Here he showed a combination
loop dipole that could be used
for at least three bands. What was important to me was the impotance
of coupling
which brings up the issue that no where does it say that all antennas
must be based around wavelength and the accompanying series circuit.
Moxon didn't have the benefit of a computor and his work was all done
long hand where I had fuel to follow my instincts. Recognising that
Moxon had not gone into the intricacies
of how important the distributed loads on the radiating members I
honed that design together with the addition of a motor such that the
tree band s he had chosen were connected in SWR form ( unfortunately
he opted for a resonant feed point approach) After a few more years I
was confident enough to share what I had found and instead of spending
a large amount of money I wrote up a patent for my self knowing that
even if I could write reasonably well which I couldn't
QST would never print such a thing anymore. So yes I got a patent and
even followed it with another on and then another one which I withdrew
because of a hail of critisicm. One of the reasons was because of
irregular learning to say the least I was not privy to the use of
regular terms that one would obtain with a formal education. My former
education was lost tho I like to think that some is returning. On
reflection if I can use that term it is normal for experts to attack
even experts and even trash them if possible.
Thus when I shared my experiences probably in an unclear way or what
ever I the man became the focus and not the story that I wanted to
impart. Eventually
somebody pointed out that I had no integrty and the technical side was
lost.
Now it was a fight against the man, an englishman in the US that one
can join with experts to maul. Yes I could have left like others that
had been trashed in the past many of which were just people you were
willing to search for a way to stretch the envelope . However for me
the 'corner in every battlefield' rang in my ears consistantly and
perhaps I became a child again and decided I would only leave on my
own terms and not those of a shabby mob, a very hurtfull and painful
journey to be sure. Now I see the formation for another attack, not on
me but somebody who came out and posted something that alluded to me
and that I feel is so,so wrong. Iwill start another thread which goes
back to my first entrance on this group here possible some of the
newer members will focus on the technical side by looking at the
picture that I hold and not on the man holding it. I will do this to
lure you all from what you are now readying to do
and you can then determine if indeed I am a man ready for the rubber
room because of insanity. To the initial poster, thanks but no thanks,
you have a life to live, remove youself and enjoy the good life.

Regards
Art Unwin...KB9MZ........XG and so, so proud of it.

Art, KB9MZ wrote:
"Here he (Moxon) showed a combination loop dipole that could be used for
at least three bands. What was important to me was the importance of
coupling which brings up the issue that no where does it say that all
antennas must be based around wavelength and the accompanying series
circuit."

Just as surely, Moxon does not say that his loop and dipole antenna is
aperiodic.

Every piece of wire has a frequency of first resonance where its
distributed inductance and distributed capacitance have equal reactance
magnitudes. At this frequency, these reactances of opposite types
exactly cancel leaving only resistance to oppose antenna current.

Either side of resonance, antenna impedance rises sharply due to
reactance. Radiation resistance causes the Q to be low as compared to an
unloaded LC tuned circuit. An antenna may have a Q in the teens while an
unloaded LC circuit can have a Q in the hundreds.

Moxon may have assumed his readers understood such antennas as his were
resonant and sensitive to frequency (wavelength).

I don`t have Moxon`s diagram but from Art`s description of long ago, his
version conjoins loop and center-fed dipole rod. The feedline connects
directly to the loop or through a variable capacitor. In either case,
coupling seems complete to me.

I guess Moxon didn`t motorize the capacitance in his T / gamma matching
system, so Art patented it.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

nm5k@w
t.net (Mark Keith) wrote in message

Mark, I cannot stand by while the pack readies itself to attack this
gut
purely because he does not conform with the general group
I will bare myself to the group and then open another thread where you
can renue the assaults on me.
I was a child in England on Sept3 1939,scooling was not an issue, when
war swirles around you the public is rallied to stories of old glories
where England has fought many battles in its history and how in the
corner of any battle fields there lies a mound that contains a piece
of England. When things go wrong then we are reminded of how things
can go wrong in the story of how the king fled from a battle field on
a fiery horse and from which the poetry spills about how for the sake
of a nail a shoe was lost.
After the war I embarked on schooling at night even tho I was also
working but at that time they had raised the school leaving age to 15
so in a way I was lucky. More than a decade later I finally passed all
the examinations required of a professional enginner and was invited
to the U.S. to partake in the good life.
As with all people there is an aging process and you are prone to
things happening that never occured before, mine was a heart attack,
lots of people have those, but in my case a projectile somehow got
loose in my brain severing all the communication wires that had taken
half a century to grow. This phenomina forced me back to near
childhood where one starts the learning proces by toutching and
watching and seeing. Sounds simple but taking that course allowed me
to get of the bed and pursue things. In my case it was to first get my
memory going so I could read ( no I did not make such a logical choice
this is inbuilt human instincts. Eventualy I turned to antennas as it
allowed me to go out on the land and piddle with antennas even tho I
was so, so at evrything
but I was not being judges. To move on quicker, the idea that Brown
had with a loop to detune errant transmissions and over a few years
was rewarded when I read the Moxon book. Here he showed a combination
loop dipole that could be used
for at least three bands. What was important to me was the impotance
of coupling
which brings up the issue that no where does it say that all antennas
must be based around wavelength and the accompanying series circuit.
Moxon didn't have the benefit of a computor and his work was all done
long hand where I had fuel to follow my instincts. Recognising that
Moxon had not gone into the intricacies
of how important the distributed loads on the radiating members I
honed that design together with the addition of a motor such that the
tree band s he had chosen were connected in SWR form ( unfortunately
he opted for a resonant feed point approach) After a few more years I
was confident enough to share what I had found and instead of spending
a large amount of money I wrote up a patent for my self knowing that
even if I could write reasonably well which I couldn't
QST would never print such a thing anymore. So yes I got a patent and
even followed it with another on and then another one which I withdrew
because of a hail of critisicm. One of the reasons was because of
irregular learning to say the least I was not privy to the use of
regular terms that one would obtain with a formal education. My former
education was lost tho I like to think that some is returning. On
reflection if I can use that term it is normal for experts to attack
even experts and even trash them if possible.
Thus when I shared my experiences probably in an unclear way or what
ever I the man became the focus and not the story that I wanted to
impart. Eventually
somebody pointed out that I had no integrty and the technical side was
lost.
Now it was a fight against the man, an englishman in the US that one
can join with experts to maul. Yes I could have left like others that
had been trashed in the past many of which were just people you were
willing to search for a way to stretch the envelope . However for me
the 'corner in every battlefield' rang in my ears consistantly and
perhaps I became a child again and decided I would only leave on my
own terms and not those of a shabby mob, a very hurtfull and painful
journey to be sure. Now I see the formation for another attack, not on
me but somebody who came out and posted something that alluded to me
and that I feel is so,so wrong. Iwill start another thread which goes
back to my first entrance on this group here possible some of the
newer members will focus on the technical side by looking at the
picture that I hold and not on the man holding it. I will do this to
lure you all from what you are now readying to do
and you can then determine if indeed I am a man ready for the rubber
room because of insanity. To the initial poster, thanks but no thanks,
you have a life to live, remove youself and enjoy the good life.

Regards
Art Unwin...KB9MZ........XG and so, so proud of it.

Art Unwin KB9MZ wrote:
I will do this to
lure you all from what you are now readying to do
and you can then determine if indeed I am a man ready for the rubber
room because of insanity.

Art, I don't know if you know it or not, but some of the greatest
minds in the history of mankind were bipolar. I suspect the manic
phase plus a high IQ cannot be beaten for original creative thought.
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP