John Smith wrote:
On 9/7/2010 3:08 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of
the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the
result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or
year, which was not detected.

On the surface, that statement simply sounds insane. It is always noon
on some portion of the planet and it is always summer somewhere ...

Which of course means it's always 5:00 p.m. somewhere too. Happy hour!

- Mike -

On 9/9/2010 9:42 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 5, 7:50 pm, "K" wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

Let's call it "quantum ether" to distinguish it from the earlier
obsolete concepts.

Now I'll listen.

People trying to resurrect old and not very plausible theories by
equating quantum soup to "aether", or even phlogiston is a great way to
dismiss their ideas. Maybe the flat earthers are right too - we just
haven't found the right proof yet.

- Mike -

It's all the same, ether (aether), but like all things which some find
disgusting, some attempt to play word games, like renaming a rose ...

Another example: homosexual = gay

Stupid if you ask me ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/9/2010 9:44 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Which of course means it's always 5:00 p.m. somewhere too. Happy hour!

- Mike -

I'll drink to that! If my doctor would let me ... :-(

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 3, 7:43 am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Might as well just say the answer is because God wants it that way.

Please note: As ignorance is slowly alleviated (over the centuries)
that option slowly disappears. Did you see this?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...-god-big-bang/


The last line is telling. If you choose nature over God, you will lose.
A lot of people choose religion over science, and apparently always
will. To the point where I have heard just this year both that God
placed fossils in the earth and that Satan placed fossils within the
earth. The former as a test of faith, and the latter as temptation.
Though of course why God would put something in as a test of faith by
the positive outcome being a rejection of the evidence seems a little
strange.

So if people can dismiss actual physical evidence, it is no surprise
that they will reject evidence of a more aetheral nature.

It's their right, always important to remember is that we are all going
to hell in someone's religion.

- Mike -

On Sep 9, 11:55*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
If you choose nature over God, you will lose.

It is impossible to choose nature over God - they are exactly the same
thing.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 9/9/2010 11:10 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 9, 11:55 am, Michael wrote:
If you choose nature over God, you will lose.

It is impossible to choose nature over God - they are exactly the same
thing.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Damn, bald-ugly-unspeakable logic ... how shocking to see it displayed
in public! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

On Sep 9, 7:46*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Sep 8, 8:08 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity
of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this
day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into account by the GPS system."

The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether. "It rotates
with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in
1845).
why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years

older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still
going backwards dragging up old disproved theories.

Is GPS system 200 year old and disproved?
S*

ah, you think because they mention the gps system using the
corrections that were detected by the mgx experiment that there must
be an aether... but you are wrong, the gps system uses the
acceleration corrections predicted by special relativity that were
verified by the mgx experiment... there is no aether involved, it is
the acceleration caused by the rotating earth that causes the effect.
but of course you won't believe that and will insist that it is
because of aether dragging, but that would cause many other effects
that are NOT observed... in order for a theory to be right it must do
2 things, it must predict something that can be observed, and it must
not fail ANY test that would disprove it. all the aether theories
have failed at least one test over the years and are therefore
incorrect.

On Sep 9, 3:46*pm, K1TTT wrote:
.... there is no aether involved, ...

Assuming the aether is the same thing as the quantum soup, EM wave
propagation would not be possible without it. :-)
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 9/9/2010 1:46 PM, K1TTT wrote:


ah, you think because they mention the gps system using the
corrections that were detected by the mgx experiment that there must
be an aether... but you are wrong, the gps system uses the
acceleration corrections predicted by special relativity that were
verified by the mgx experiment... there is no aether involved, it is
the acceleration caused by the rotating earth that causes the effect.
but of course you won't believe that and will insist that it is
because of aether dragging, but that would cause many other effects
that are NOT observed... in order for a theory to be right it must do
2 things, it must predict something that can be observed, and it must
not fail ANY test that would disprove it. all the aether theories
have failed at least one test over the years and are therefore
incorrect.

What does the rotating earth accelerate? Light, RF? The speed of light
is fixed within its' media, the ether, the only way to accelerate EM is
to accelerate the ether itself ...

The exact same arguments you state can be used as an argument for the
ether as well as SR ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/9/2010 11:44 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 9/7/2010 3:08 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of
the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no
motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the
result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or
year, which was not detected.

On the surface, that statement simply sounds insane. It is always noon
on some portion of the planet and it is always summer somewhere ...

Which of course means it's always 5:00 p.m. somewhere too. Happy hour!

- Mike -

Actually it is not always summer somewhere. That's quite obvious. It
is only summer somewhere 6 months of the year, the other 6 it's spring
and fall.

tom
K0TAR