On Aug 28, 11:36*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:19*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Aug 28, 8:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Aug 28, 2:32*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Aug 28, 1:06*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is
the supposed existence of the *Aether.

It has been proven that "empty space" is indeed not empty and consists
of quantum particles that wink in and out of existence. Aether does
exist as a sort of quantum soup, just not in the limited form that was
earlier conceived in the past before quantum physics. The Casimir
effect is a manifestation of the quantum soup that exists in "empty
space". Some physicists think that's where the dark energy is hiding.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges. The two mediums discussed is
in actuality mass and particles where as it was considered as mass and
the Aether. I am certainly aware of the term quantum soup outside of
the Earths confines!
The two mediums of a radiator and particles is what provides for
ground wave and connected to
propagation. I don't think the scientists of the day were considering
propagation in outer space but I am willing to read any article that
supports your position
There are many positions and counter positions on the subject given by
most of the masters of the day.
Art

you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists
and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved
aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to
love. *please write something new and funny about the magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic
antenna radiates.

Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are
totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna
will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect
common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in
actions with respect to radiation.
Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper
and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with
ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate
levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you
have any doubts about their authenticity.

but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic
neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's
favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

On 8/28/2010 4:53 PM, K1TTT wrote:


but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic
neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's
favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

You are pathetic, funny, but pathetic ... ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

On 8/28/2010 6:53 PM, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 11:36 pm, Art wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:19 pm, wrote:

you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists
and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved
aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to
love. please write something new and funny about the magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic
antenna radiates.

Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are
totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna
will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect
common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in
actions with respect to radiation.
Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper
and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with
ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate
levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you
have any doubts about their authenticity.

but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic
neutrinos to levitate?? oh and to bring in one of mr. b's
favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

Ooo! Ooo! I know the answer!

But I'll let Art entertain you first.

tom
K0TAR

On Aug 29, 1:32*am, tom wrote:
On 8/28/2010 6:53 PM, K1TTT wrote:



On Aug 28, 11:36 pm, Art *wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:19 pm, *wrote:

you should really talk with mr.b... he likes those old time scientists
and the stuff they wrote before all the real experiments disproved
aether and magnetic vortices and all that other stuff that you seem to
love. *please write something new and funny about the magical
levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that explain how my ferromagnetic
antenna radiates.

Every time you put pen to paper it is painfully evident that you are
totally lacking in the subject of physics. A ferromagnetic antenna
will certainly radiate but it totally swamps the Meissner effect
common with diamagnetic materials. They certainly do not duplicate in
actions with respect to radiation.
Most hams build their antennas with diamagnetic materials like copper
and aluminum as they do not portray the hysteresis effect common with
ferromagnetic materials. As for diamagnetic materials that demonstrate
levitation you can buy these on E bay or at Edmonds scientific if you
have any doubts about their authenticity.

but how can it radiate if it doesn't have your magical diamagnetic
neutrinos to levitate?? * *oh and to bring in one of mr. b's
favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. *he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

Ooo! *Ooo! *I know the answer!

But I'll let Art entertain you first.

tom
K0TAR

art will never figure it out, you might as well at least give him a
hint.

On Aug 28, 3:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

"K1TTT" wrote
...

oh and to bring in one of mr. b's
favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea.
Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the
antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged".

I try unerstand Art's post, but without effect.
Could you do a perfect Summary.
S*

"Art Unwin" wrote
...
On Aug 28, 1:33 pm, K1TTT wrote:

One of the most perplexing aurguements in the history of Physics is
the supposed existence of the Aether. Or in other words
Aether is has to be considered as a media.
In radio terms it can be stated that communication can be carried by a
surface wave only if it travels along the line of different media
which in physics is unshakable. Thus many physists argued that
air itself must be considered as a medium in that surface radio waves
certainly exist and thus the case against the existance of an Aether
has not yet been proven, as the question of the two mediums involved
have yet to be identified.

In metals and plazma are the acoustic waves and the electric waves. In the
both are the two media: ions and electrons.
S*

Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.


You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

On 8/30/2010 1:05 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea.
Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the
antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged".

I try unerstand Art's post, but without effect.
Could you do a perfect Summary.
S*



Yeah. Art and "something about" some dc current/voltage and the ac
current/voltage, (some dc voltage) + (some ac voltage) = peaks of ac
raised to the combined potential of both is ... well, it is something, I
guess ...

Regards,
JS

On Aug 30, 11:39*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.

You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, *Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Mike as I understand it Aether theory started with the motion that if
two mediums meet then a electron
can pass thru both mediums OR travel between two mediums. I suppose
you can look at the Universe that way starting

and then going thru a progression of different mediums until you come
to the end or the last medium. If you put together two pieces of glass
in sandwich fashion a electron, say light, may travel thru both pieces
of glass AND/OR along the path
between the two pieces of glass.
Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy. Now in a
particular case scientists came across a dilemma where a path of light
existed parallel to a medium but they could not determine exactly what
the next medium was. Thus was brought forward the term Aether
as a stop gap term until the medium could be truely determined.