On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy.

Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter,
much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the
salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass
contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Aug 30, 2:35*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy.

Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter,
much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the
salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass
contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ?
Frankly I just do not understand your response.

On Aug 30, 11:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ?
Frankly I just do not understand your response.

he's telling you that you are right but you are just so smart that you
can't understand your own solution!

On Aug 30, 8:05*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...

oh and to bring in one of mr. b's

favorites, how do diamagnetic neutrinos accumulate on copper wire
antennas if they are insulated... i'm sure he will love to hear your
answer. *he thinks electrons jump off the antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged, you would love to chat with him!

I will love to hear your description of the Art's idea.
Your description of my idea is perfect: " he thinks electrons jump off the
antenna and require a dc
source to keep the antenna charged".

I try unerstand Art's post, *but without effect.
Could you do a perfect Summary.
S*

instead of electrons jumping off the antenna art charges it with
magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos that flow out from the sun
during sunspots to fly off the antenna. that would be the same
mechanism that those other scientist dream of for affecting
radioactive decay.

On 8/30/2010 4:39 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
...

Simply put, the ether has been in existence before God ... well, wait,
they may cause a big debate ... change that to, "... in existence since
God." ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

On 8/30/2010 11:39 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.


You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Are you sure? I heard it was Orgone Energy. It has cool antenna-like
thingies that gather the Energy, too!

tom
K0TAR

"Michael Coslo" wrote
...

You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including that
Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

Are many of Aether theories:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...iferous_aether

Some of them were erroneous.
But the question what is the medium for radio waves remain.

There are the two issues. Is it movable or not and what is made of.

The first was judged by Michelson:

"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into
account by the GPS system."

So we know that the aether rotate with the Sun but not rotate with The
Earth.

The last proposition for the second was made by Dirac. In space is en
electron see. So the medium for radio waves are free electrons. In the space
are also ions, atoms and dust. It has name Interstellar Medium (ISM).
S*

"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Aug 30, 5:22 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.

In the "physics terms" the base medium is Dirac electrons see.
The "added medium" are ions, atoms and dust. All are produced by Stars.

The same mixture is in metals. In metals the free electrons are medium for
the electric waves and ions and atoms for the acoustic waves.

Maxwell-Heaviside ether was like the dielectric.
The todays ether is like rare plasma. Plasma is a conductor.
S*