tom wrote:
On 8/30/2010 11:39 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.


You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Are you sure? I heard it was Orgone Energy. It has cool antenna-like
thingies that gather the Energy, too!

Careful, with blasphemy like that Cthlulu is a gonna getchya! 8^)

- Mike -

On 8/31/2010 3:54 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Does God have DNA? If not, where did Jesus' Y DNA come from? If yes,
can God be killed?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Sorry, missed this earlier, must have hit, "mark newsgroup as read" a
bit prematurely ...

Well, just guessing, I'd say, it came from the "immaculate conception",
and Mary contributed ... but hey, mankinds DNA came form God ... I find
it a much better question to ask, "Is God a "true God" or an alien, or
alien race?"; And, "Would I be able to tell the difference if I ran
into either?" And then, there is the question, "Where did
God/alien-race come from?"

It ain't easy being human ...

Regards,
JS

On Sep 1, 10:28*am, John Smith wrote:
It ain't easy being human ...

Yep, conceptually knowing that one is going to die was so hard on our
ancestors that they had to invent the concept of an immortal soul with
an after-life, which is denied to our primate cousins who share 98% of
our DNA but don't know that they are going to die. My take is that it
is better to have lived and died (loved and lost) than never to have
lived (loved) at all.

Reminds me of the song, "Midnight Choir", by the Gatlin Brothers:

Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?
Dear Lord, we'd all like to know,
Will they have Mogen Davin in Heaven, sweet Jesus?
If they don't, who the hell wants to go?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 9/1/2010 12:05 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Yep, conceptually knowing that one is going to die was so hard on our
ancestors that they had to invent the concept of an immortal soul with
an after-life, which is denied to our primate cousins who share 98% of
our DNA but don't know that they are going to die. My take is that it
is better to have lived and died (loved and lost) than never to have
lived (loved) at all.

Reminds me of the song, "Midnight Choir", by the Gatlin Brothers:

Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?
Dear Lord, we'd all like to know,
Will they have Mogen Davin in Heaven, sweet Jesus?
If they don't, who the hell wants to go?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cecil,

As you have presented this argument in the past, it cannot either be
proven, nor dis-proven--and must be considered.

If it were not for the fact that life is the sole "thing" which
possesses such unique qualities as to behave as something from a
conscious mind, something requiring more than nature to create it,
requiring more than accident to have achieved its' present state, I'd
have to give what you present much more weight. We must agree that
"things" look different to us, at least on this one subject.

As I stated, in slight different words, it is H*LL to be human ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/1/2010 9:32 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
tom wrote:
On 8/30/2010 11:39 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.


You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Are you sure? I heard it was Orgone Energy. It has cool antenna-like
thingies that gather the Energy, too!

Careful, with blasphemy like that Cthlulu is a gonna getchya! 8^)

- Mike -

Well, that's not a problem anymore. My dog killed him a couple months
ago. It was an accident. And even if it wasn't, after you've seen your
dog kill Cthulhu what is there left to fear?

tom
K0TAR

tom wrote:
On 9/1/2010 9:32 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
tom wrote:
On 8/30/2010 11:39 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.


You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is
where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Are you sure? I heard it was Orgone Energy. It has cool antenna-like
thingies that gather the Energy, too!

Careful, with blasphemy like that Cthlulu is a gonna getchya! 8^)

- Mike -

Well, that's not a problem anymore. My dog killed him a couple months
ago. It was an accident. And even if it wasn't, after you've seen your
dog kill Cthulhu what is there left to fear?

Your dog is da man, Tom!

- Mike -

John Smith wrote:

As you have presented this argument in the past, it cannot either be
proven, nor dis-proven--and must be considered.

Looking into the modern theories of Aether, your statement is correct.


The problem I have with the new Aether theories is that they take the
intellectually inexpensive leap from science to something else.

Quote from Wikipedia

"John Bell suggests the aether was wrongly rejected on purely
philosophical grounds: "what is unobservable does not exist""

By which this time, we might as well fold the tents and go back to the
easy answer, because if we take that tack we already have all the
answers for everything in the universe.

There's an old New Yorker cartoon with a couple of scientists standing
at a blackboard. The blackboard is covered with aequations, and right in
the middle of them in paren is "And something really awesome happens",
folled by more equations. That to me is Aether theory.

Might as well just say the answer is because God wants it that way.


- Mike -

On 9/3/2010 5:43 AM, Michael Coslo wrote:

...
There's an old New Yorker cartoon with a couple of scientists standing
at a blackboard. The blackboard is covered with aequations, and right in
the middle of them in paren is "And something really awesome happens",
folled by more equations. That to me is Aether theory.

Might as well just say the answer is because God wants it that way.


- Mike -

A "leap of faith" is required for a belief in God, the beginning of a
religion. So, to me, most atheists look "religious" to me. Their
religion is akin to having two men walking along in some far flung
universe when they stumble upon a man-made car. The appraise it, toy
with it, climb in and take off.

Now, down the road, one man says to the other, This appears as if it was
made by god," the other mans says, "That is ridiculous, this obviously
evolved from the elements around, and simply natural laws seen to its'
creation."

The whole universe, everything we see, I must wonder if "it always was."
Or, if a thinking mind constructed it all, even down to constructing
the laws for it to exist in, then the bizarre question of my own
existence enters this wonderment. It is easy to say that the ether was,
is and always will be--we are born into it.

Atheists just have an easy way of accepting things. They look at all of
this/these "MIND-BLOWING MIRACLES", and just say, "Oh yeah, it is
natural for all this to exist, there is no such thing as an "absolute
nothing", it is a law that if you universe sized space, it is filled
with matter in an altered state from the ether."

And, even worse than that, many can't/don't even recognize an ether for
the matter to have been created from and exist within. I do admit, my
mind finds such simple acceptance shocking ...

Regards,
JS

On Sep 3, 7:43*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Might as well just say the answer is because God wants it that way.

Please note: As ignorance is slowly alleviated (over the centuries)
that option slowly disappears. Did you see this?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...-god-big-bang/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Sep 3, 10:19*am, John Smith wrote:
*They look at all of this/these "MIND-BLOWING MIRACLES", ...

What if faith and belief in "MIND-BLOWING MIRACLES" is simply the
result of ignorance?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com