"Cecil Moore" wrote
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On Sep 3, 1:14 pm, John Smith wrote:
Seriously, though, the real question is "Where did the ether come from?"

Apparently, human intelligence and logic has not yet evolved to be
able to handle such questions although Ayn Rand came close decades
ago.

Always were the two ethers. Normal for the normal electric waves and the
"special" for the EM waves.

The normal is that by Ludwig Lorenz and the second by H. Lorentz.

The normal is the rare plazma (electrons, ions, atoms and dust).
The special is in many forms.

The normal is produced by the Sun. The special - I do not know.
S*

On 9/4/2010 5:34 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:


"Before the Big Bang" is an oxymoron. Our present big bang originated
from a mass/energy plasma singularity. There was no ether in our
universe before the big bang. There was no space in our universe
before the big bang.

Here we differ, I think the ether existed long before the "big bang"
(indeed, it could be the was, is and has always been in God.) Whatever
the big bang was, all it did was rip our observable matter, into an
altered state, from the fabric of the ether itself, and we look back and
record "the beginning" from that event.

There was no time in our universe before the big
bang. There were no particles or EM waves in our universe before the
big bang.

That statement is right on one account, there was not "time" in our
universe ... but then, there still isn't. There is only movement ... I
do believe the ether is composed of some type of particles, and I do
believe the ether accounts for the transmission of our EM waves ... so I
imagine that some type of "disturbances" were occurring in the ether,
even before the big bang ... but, proofs, or disproofs, lie in the
future ... I would drop everything and work to prove, or disprove, the
ether ...

...
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Sep 4, 6:06*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Cecil Moore" ...
On Sep 3, 1:14 pm, John Smith wrote:

Seriously, though, the real question is "Where did the ether come from?"
Apparently, human intelligence and logic has not yet evolved to be

able to handle such questions although Ayn Rand came close decades
ago.

Always were the two ethers. Normal for the normal electric waves and the
"special" for the EM waves.

The normal is that by Ludwig Lorenz and the second by H. Lorentz.

The normal is the rare plazma (electrons, ions, atoms and dust).
The special is in many forms.

The normal is produced by the Sun. The special - I do not know.
S*

'normally' when something has to be called 'special' it means that it
doesn't represent the real world... not 'special' relativity is just a
subset of 'general' relativity. if the 'normal' is created by the sun
and we now know that there is a discontinuity at the edge of the solar
system where our solar wind is deflected by the galactic plasma... and
indeed there are major discontinuities around the earth due to our
magnetic field... why are there not distortions in the waves traveling
in the plasma? if waves travel in water and the water is moving the
waves move with the water, why can we not measure the difference in
speed or direction of waves carried in the moving solar plasma,
especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Sep 4, 6:06 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"Cecil Moore"
...
On Sep 3, 1:14 pm, John Smith wrote:

Seriously, though, the real question is "Where did the ether come
from?"
Apparently, human intelligence and logic has not yet evolved to be

able to handle such questions although Ayn Rand came close decades
ago.

Always were the two ethers. Normal for the normal electric waves and the
"special" for the EM waves.

The normal is that by Ludwig Lorenz and the second by H. Lorentz.

The normal is the rare plazma (electrons, ions, atoms and dust).
The special is in many forms.

The normal is produced by the Sun. The special - I do not know.

'normally' when something has to be called 'special' it means that it
doesn't represent the real world... not 'special' relativity is just a
subset of 'general' relativity. if the 'normal' is created by the sun
and we now know that there is a discontinuity at the edge of the solar
system where our solar wind is deflected by the galactic plasma... and
indeed there are major discontinuities around the earth due to our
magnetic field... why are there not distortions in the waves traveling
in the plasma?

All is like with the sound waves in the wind.

if waves travel in water and the water is moving the
waves move with the water, why can we not measure the difference in
speed or direction of waves carried in the moving solar plasma,

We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*

On Sep 5, 6:32*am, K1TTT wrote:
why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

Light waves (electromagnetic fields) are photons. Magnetic and
electric fields are also photons. Photons do not affect each other
unless they are coherent in which case interference can take place.
Photons have no rest mass and no charge. Any number of photons can
occupy the same "space". Photons are affected by the curvature of
space through which they travel.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 9/5/2010 12:16 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Sep 4, 6:06 pm, "Szczepan wrote:
"Cecil Moore"
...
On Sep 3, 1:14 pm, John wrote:

Seriously, though, the real question is "Where did the ether come
from?"
Apparently, human intelligence and logic has not yet evolved to be

able to handle such questions although Ayn Rand came close decades
ago.

Always were the two ethers. Normal for the normal electric waves and the
"special" for the EM waves.

The normal is that by Ludwig Lorenz and the second by H. Lorentz.

The normal is the rare plazma (electrons, ions, atoms and dust).
The special is in many forms.

The normal is produced by the Sun. The special - I do not know.

'normally' when something has to be called 'special' it means that it
doesn't represent the real world... not 'special' relativity is just a
subset of 'general' relativity. if the 'normal' is created by the sun
and we now know that there is a discontinuity at the edge of the solar
system where our solar wind is deflected by the galactic plasma... and
indeed there are major discontinuities around the earth due to our
magnetic field... why are there not distortions in the waves traveling
in the plasma?

All is like with the sound waves in the wind.

if waves travel in water and the water is moving the
waves move with the water, why can we not measure the difference in
speed or direction of waves carried in the moving solar plasma,

We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*




What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

On 9/5/2010 4:37 PM, tom wrote:

...
We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day,
but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*




What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

In deep space, light should go 100% unimpeded by any magnetic fields.
In an atmosphere, plasma, or other media, I would think light can be
affected, fiber optics can even bend light using a physical force acting
on the media carrying the light, instead of a magnetic field.

In deep space, there is almost nothing but ether, and ether, the
gravitational ether of Einstein, needs to be bent with gravity, and when
the ether is bent, some distortion of the path of light should certainly
be detected ... but that debated experiment, someone already mentioned,
carries on.

Regards,
JS

I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

K

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 9/5/2010 4:37 PM, tom wrote:

...
We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day,
but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*




What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

In deep space, light should go 100% unimpeded by any magnetic fields. In
an atmosphere, plasma, or other media, I would think light can be
affected, fiber optics can even bend light using a physical force acting
on the media carrying the light, instead of a magnetic field.

In deep space, there is almost nothing but ether, and ether, the
gravitational ether of Einstein, needs to be bent with gravity, and when
the ether is bent, some distortion of the path of light should certainly
be detected ... but that debated experiment, someone already mentioned,
carries on.

Regards,
JS

On 9/5/2010 5:50 PM, K wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

K


Cecil would be the one to help you there. I can tell he has done much
more research into that than I ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/5/2010 7:50 PM, K wrote:
I wonder if ether and dark energy are related?

K

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 9/5/2010 4:37 PM, tom wrote:

...
We do: "
"1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive
result
while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the
velocity of
light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day,
but
this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken
into
account by the GPS system."

especially when it moves around planets with magnetic fields? why are
light waves not affected by magnetic or electric fields??

They are. Faraday effect, electrooptic effect and so on.
S*




What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

In deep space, light should go 100% unimpeded by any magnetic fields.
In an atmosphere, plasma, or other media, I would think light can be
affected, fiber optics can even bend light using a physical force
acting on the media carrying the light, instead of a magnetic field.

In deep space, there is almost nothing but ether, and ether, the
gravitational ether of Einstein, needs to be bent with gravity, and
when the ether is bent, some distortion of the path of light should
certainly be detected ... but that debated experiment, someone already
mentioned, carries on.

Regards,
JS


Ditto on maroon.

tom
K0TAR