On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate..
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

On Oct 8, 2:11*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

Well we do have opinions exceptpenniokio but where is the backup data?
I would imagine that some old timers are getting near the end of their
antennas life, as what started with a thick radiator has now got down
to a couple of mills and drooping
and only a few electrons left.
On the other hand it is well established that billions of particles
inhabit every cubic metre on earth and the question is that if we
don't allow these particles or neutrinos to settle or rest a dense
fog is going to envelope the earth killing mankind and allowing the
dynasaurs to come back. We already have some dynasoars in the making
on this thread!

On Oct 8, 7:23*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:11*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

Well we do have opinions exceptpenniokio but where is the backup data?

YOU want backup data?? talk about the pot calling the kettle black,
where is the backup data for your levitating neutrinos?

On Oct 8, 10:46*am, K1TTT wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:31*am, Art Unwin wrote:

Antennas usually are made of aluminum as copper is somewhat heavier
and silver and gold is to expensive. Since lead is now banned in a lot
of places especially with solder you can now buy solder that is doped
with Bismuth !
Now you can't coat your elements with it but *if you have a solder
bath you can run copper wire thru it. The bismuth is brittle
but with the underlying copper it is stiff enough to stick it on the
antenna elements. I am assuming that the applied current would travel
along the bismuth coating instead of the aluminum and therefore should
increase gain for antennas that use coupling methods such as the Yagi
tho bandwidth may well suffer some what.
What do you think?

testing, 1, 2, 3... can you hear me now??

i guess the logjam finally broke. google has been bouncing and
queuing these up for days now!

"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons.

"... for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of 10
amps, the drift velocity (of the free electrons) is only about 0.024
cm/sec!"

In the oryginal Hertz dipole electrons jumps accros the big gap with the
high frequency. Calculate the velocity.

The key factor is the generation, by the oscillating electrons, of RF
photons/fields/waves (traveling at the speed of light) .

Electrons do not need go-between. Electric waves are in substances and in
the plasma (rare plasma in space).
S*

Uzytkownik "Art Unwin" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

Electrons are expelled in the result of the voltage doubling in the end of
an antenna.

The transmitter create the pulsatin flow of electrons.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle."

"a periodic flow with a net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle"
needs a tank of electrons. It has many names: ground, counterpoise, radials
and chassis.
S*

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 8, 2:57 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters
and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

It seems that you do not know too much about the pulsatile and oscillating
flow.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle." From:
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GL...CR-198416.html
S*

You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna?

YES! i have done that and it works great... even better than
bedsprings because you can make it vertically polarized by feeding in
the right place.

Did u solder a wire from the radio to the window frame? How did you do it?

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On Oct 9, 8:33Â*am, Man-wai Chang wrote:
You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna?

YES! Â*i have done that and it works great... even better than
bedsprings because you can make it vertically polarized by feeding in
the right place.

Did u solder a wire from the radio to the window frame? How did you do it?

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just an alligator clip.

On Oct 9, 7:25*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 8, 2:57 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters
and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?
there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse

than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

It seems that you do not know too much about the pulsatile and oscillating
flow.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle." From:http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GL...CR-198416.html
S*

great laugh isn't he art... you two should collaborate on a grand new
theory of em particulate flow, between your magical levitating
diamagnetic solar neutrinos that we are all drowning in and his
'pulsatile' electron flow maybe you could come up with something that
has even more humor potential!