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On Dec 10, 5:06*am, wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
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Jim,Tom, Sux etc
Why are you using different names addreses etc
on the same thread, All of which are talking to each other and using
the same computer to provide the thoughts of you, yourself and other
peoples names in a effort to show a unity of thought. Looking up past
posts of all these people show that a lot of people are using your
computer and talking to each other on the same subject, like talking
to the choir. All of your split personalities are easily reckognizable
when you use them to put down different people on the net.
Stop trying to hide your identity as your character always gives you
away. A fool is a fool which always stays a fool which is his
character that he can't shake. Which one of your split personalities
are you confering with on the subject of antennas


This is a new height in your lunacy.

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yeah, he must really be out of meds... starting to get paranoid now.
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Art Unwin wrote:

I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not aware
of. Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be unity".

This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads and
Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.

Can you give me some real world examples?

joe


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On Dec 10, 8:37*am, joe wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
*I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
*unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not aware
of. *Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be unity".

This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads and
Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.

Can you give me some real world examples?

joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1

This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art
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K1TTT wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:06Â*am, wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
To
Jim,Tom, Sux etc
Why are you using different names addreses etc
on the same thread, All of which are talking to each other and using
the same computer to provide the thoughts of you, yourself and other
peoples names in a effort to show a unity of thought. Looking up past
posts of all these people show that a lot of people are using your
computer and talking to each other on the same subject, like talking
to the choir. All of your split personalities are easily reckognizable
when you use them to put down different people on the net.
Stop trying to hide your identity as your character always gives you
away. A fool is a fool which always stays a fool which is his
character that he can't shake. Which one of your split personalities
are you confering with on the subject of antennas


This is a new height in your lunacy.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.


yeah, he must really be out of meds... starting to get paranoid now.


His dementia is slowly getting worse, but it is definitely getting worse.

It shouldn't be much longer now.

Actually it is rather sad to watch.


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Jim Pennino

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On Dec 10, 4:12*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:37*am, joe wrote:



Art Unwin wrote:
*I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
*unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not aware
of. *Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be unity".


This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads and
Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.


Can you give me some real world examples?


joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1

This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art


neither L nor C contributes any loss in any kind of circuit analysis i
have ever seen.... its always the R that converts the electrical
energy to heat to remove it from doing something useful besides
heating the room.


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Art Unwin wrote:

On Dec 10, 8:37 am, joe wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not
aware of. Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
unity".

This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads
and Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.

Can you give me some real world examples?

joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1

This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art



Art,
That does not address the question at all.

How do the Henries in L and the Farads in C cancel to give a dimensionless
number?

A real world example would have numbers and a description the one could
duplicate to better understand what you are syaing.

joe

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On Dec 11, 10:14*am, joe wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:37 am, joe wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not
aware of. *Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
unity".


This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads
and Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.


Can you give me some real world examples?


joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1


This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art


Art,
That does not address the question at all.

How do the Henries in L and the Farads in C cancel to give a dimensionless
number?

A real world example would have numbers and a description the one could
duplicate to better understand what you are syaing.

joe


Think about it Joe
If you had an equation for efficiency it would be dimensionless.
Typically you would have a portion in that equation that depicts
perfection
and also a portion depicting deviation from perfection.So the second
portion points to what creates losses and the first part points to
perfection. Now look at root L/C which points to the constitution of
that which creates losses.
Now ideally we would like this portion to be 1
which states zero losses, an ideal situation.
Thus we can say the losses involved equals
root L/C which must equal "1" Logic therefore tells you that both L
and C are loss leaders whether they be lumped or distributed and
therefore not part of the vectors that create
acceleration of charge. Remember for legitimacy all formulae must
equal zero for equilibrium and therefore resolves into zero units. Now
if you are unaware where root L/C
appears in the study of radiation this is a good time to hit the books
to fill that gap.
Best regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ xg

What has been proved so far with this theory?
Particles and not waves
Magnetic fiels removal removes skin depth
Reprosity
The importance of diamagnetics
Vectors of currents, time varying and displacement are the equal and
opposite of
gravity and rotation
L and C are loss leaders
Particles/ free electrons, are not the constituent
of the radiating element.
The Standard Forces are resolved by just the two vectors only created
by the Big Bang or the
fracture of the original boundary depicted by Newtons law.
And it goes on but hams deny change.
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On Dec 10, 2:40*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:12*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Dec 10, 8:37*am, joe wrote:


Art Unwin wrote:
*I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
*unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not aware
of. *Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be unity".


This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads and
Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.


Can you give me some real world examples?


joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1


This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art


neither L nor C contributes any loss in any kind of circuit analysis i
have ever seen.... its always the R that converts the electrical
energy to heat to remove it from doing something useful besides
heating the room.


Silly
Impedance consists of resistance Ra and reactance jxx. You can remove
resistance Ra from an element while the reactance constituent can
still remain.
Thus the impedance remains real.
Don't give up your job just yet!
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:31:39 -0600, some gomer wrote:

None of them have offered alternative solutions
or even addressed the problem so they present no harm to any
discussion


A superior alternative solution from the 1940s (edited to length):

Work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the
crudely conceived idea that would not only supply inverse reactive
current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be
capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters.

The main winding is of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in
panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor
being connected by a nonreversible trem'e pipe to the differential
girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeters.

Forty-one manestically spaced grouting brushes were arranged to
feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of
high S-value phenylhydrobenzamine
and
5% reminative tetryliodohexamine.

Both of these liquids have specific pericosities given by
P = 2.5(C · n^6) - 7
where
n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase
disposition
and
C is Cholmondeley's annular grillage coefficient.

Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive
pilfrometer ... but up to the present date nothing has been found to
equal the transcendental hopper dadoscope. ... It has been
successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever
a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction
with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal
depleneration.

Citation:
Little, Arthur. Technical Description of the Turbo-Encabulator, 24
August 1942, cited in Kagan, Claude (13 May 1992).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
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On Dec 11, 7:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:40*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Dec 10, 4:12*pm, Art Unwin wrote:


On Dec 10, 8:37*am, joe wrote:


Art Unwin wrote:
*I am sure you also know that only
units used by Mawell represent the path
to maximum efficiency in radiation as well as
the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be
*unity.
Art KB9MZ....xg


Art, You have just mentioned a constraint on antennas that I was not aware
of. *Specifically "the ratio of capacitance to inductance must be unity".


This is new to me. Please tell me how I go about making capacitance and
inductance equal so their ratio can be unity. How do you get the Farads and
Henries to cancel out, leaving a dimensionless number.


Can you give me some real world examples?


joe


I will be happy to do so
Root L/C = 1


This means that L/C both of which are loss contributors are removed
from any formulae
Art


neither L nor C contributes any loss in any kind of circuit analysis i
have ever seen.... its always the R that converts the electrical
energy to heat to remove it from doing something useful besides
heating the room.


Silly
Impedance consists of resistance Ra and reactance *jxx. You can remove
resistance Ra from an element while the reactance constituent can
still remain.
*Thus the impedance remains real.
Don't give up your job just yet!


lets see, you remove the resistance which is the 'real' part of the
impedance, which gives you the imaginary reactance part as noted by
the 'j' above, and you think its real... probably just as real as your
pancake antenna in its faraday cage. you never have explained how my
ferromagnetic antenna works without your magical diamagnetic
levitating neutrinos.
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