I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect ( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:32:09 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect ( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art
no meissner, no diamagnetism no swamps no paramagnetics
no relax, no outside,

Whatever.

Those broad band antennas work, that's for sure,
without your ingredients.

w.

On Nov 28, 3:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

Are you questioning your effort, or all the false
theories you are conjuring?
For you to truly see the light, you will need to build one
of those antennas, and then do A/B comparison tests
against a known benchmark such as the dipole.
The fact that you will never even approach the efficiency
of a dipole will then dissolve all your other theories into
leftover turkey casserole. We could call it "Meander Casserole"
if one were desiring to patent it and publish the recipe. :/

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:32:09 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin wrote:
I have been struggling with this for some time

You don't have to tell anyone about that in _this_ ng!

On Nov 28, 9:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

On 29 Nov,
K1TTT wrote:


what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

Aether.

--
BD
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On Nov 29, 4:42*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Nov 28, 9:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

Air

On Nov 29, 4:42*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Nov 28, 9:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

As a furthur background to the question.
I modelled a two coil spring to make a closed circuit. Running thru
the swr vs frequency I find that when I get into the Ghz realm the
anti resonance value migrates to 52 ohms with low
reactance escursions. Later the resistance value drops to single
digits and then fraction of ohms together with slight reactance
escursions
with R being less than the wire used. At the same time gain shot up to
the high twenties in cyclic form but with the extremely low impedance.
The current flow at the feed point was 100% surge quickly dropping to
a constant 25% current flow .I then made a 5 wire tape
very close wound pancake about 24" dia which I placed inside a bowl
shield which was grounded. This provided a fairly constant impedance
with what appears to the ear to be a doubling of more of gain against
a quiet background. I have nothing else to add except the computer
program does have a precipetous drop in impedance which sort of
alignes with superconductors when it changes over to perfect
diamagnetic, where skin factor of the conductor is removed allowing
current flow outside the conductor as shown by its low impedance. The
pancakes (stacked ) with short length compared to a linear solenoid
are fed at the center where surge current is at its highest and where
all wires tape ends are electrically connected together to complete a
closed mesh type tape. The same can be done with a 100 foot roll
insect window mesh with the material backed by thin duct tape.
Thus the point of the question, What propels
the reverse swamping of the previously weak
diamagnetic fields?
Thanks for looking
Art
With the current leaving the conductor the two vectors for the most
efficient elevation and thrust ( are vector with heliical spin) to
the surface residing particles as shown by Gauss which also aligns
with Maxwell.

On Nov 29, 7:35*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:42*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Nov 28, 9:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

As a furthur background to the question.
I modelled a two coil spring to make a closed circuit. Running thru
the swr vs frequency I find that when I get into the Ghz realm the
anti resonance value migrates to 52 ohms with low
reactance escursions. Later the resistance value drops to single
digits and then fraction of ohms together with slight reactance
escursions
with R being less than the wire used. At the same time gain shot up to
the high twenties in cyclic form but with the extremely low impedance.
The current flow at the feed point was 100% surge quickly dropping to
a constant 25% current flow .I then made a 5 wire tape
very close wound pancake about 24" dia which I placed inside a bowl
shield which was grounded. This provided a fairly constant impedance
with what appears to the ear to be a doubling of more of gain against
a quiet background. I have nothing else to add except the computer
program does have a precipetous drop in impedance which sort of
alignes with superconductors when it changes over to perfect
diamagnetic, where skin factor of the conductor is removed allowing
current flow outside the conductor as shown by its low impedance. The
pancakes (stacked ) with short length compared to a linear solenoid
are fed at the center where surge current is at its highest and where
all *wires tape ends are electrically connected together to complete a
closed mesh type tape. The same can be done with a 100 foot roll
insect window mesh with the material backed by thin duct tape.
Thus the point of the question, What propels
the reverse swamping of the previously weak
diamagnetic fields?
Thanks for looking
Art
With the current leaving the conductor the two vectors for the most
efficient elevation and thrust *( are vector with heliical spin) to
the surface residing particles as shown by Gauss which also aligns
with Maxwell.

One thing I should mention is when the "surface" current flow begins
the radiation pattern goes thru a 90 degree phase change( a connection
to the EH driven antennas perhaps?)
I am now re writing the program with the x and y coordinates
interchanged to see if some clues
come to light when f/b and gain figures change from the X to the Y
axis
Art

On Nov 29, 8:30*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Nov 29, 7:35*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Nov 29, 4:42*pm, K1TTT wrote:

On Nov 28, 9:32*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

I have been struggling with this for some time
so maybe somebody can set me straight.
We wind a flat plate spiral antenna and we get to a point where the
center medium becomes saturated with flux.
Now I add even more coils. What action does that precipitate? I would
like to think that the Meissner effect *( perfect diamagnetism) then
takes over and swamps the external magnetic field as with a
superconductor ( ie opposite to that of a paramagnetic) The skin
effect is thus removed allowing the current flow to the surface by
allowing the atomic structure to relax, and add to the current already
in place to allow fully efficient radiation as it now lies outside the
confines of conductor resistance.
This is my effort in determining what is it that drives the constant
impedance attributes of a meander type array?
Regards
Art

what is the 'medium' that gets saturated?

As a furthur background to the question.
I modelled a two coil spring to make a closed circuit. Running thru
the swr vs frequency I find that when I get into the Ghz realm the
anti resonance value migrates to 52 ohms with low
reactance escursions. Later the resistance value drops to single
digits and then fraction of ohms together with slight reactance
escursions
with R being less than the wire used. At the same time gain shot up to
the high twenties in cyclic form but with the extremely low impedance.
The current flow at the feed point was 100% surge quickly dropping to
a constant 25% current flow .I then made a 5 wire tape
very close wound pancake about 24" dia which I placed inside a bowl
shield which was grounded. This provided a fairly constant impedance
with what appears to the ear to be a doubling of more of gain against
a quiet background. I have nothing else to add except the computer
program does have a precipetous drop in impedance which sort of
alignes with superconductors when it changes over to perfect
diamagnetic, where skin factor of the conductor is removed allowing
current flow outside the conductor as shown by its low impedance. The
pancakes (stacked ) with short length compared to a linear solenoid
are fed at the center where surge current is at its highest and where
all *wires tape ends are electrically connected together to complete a
closed mesh type tape. The same can be done with a 100 foot roll
insect window mesh with the material backed by thin duct tape.
Thus the point of the question, What propels
the reverse swamping of the previously weak
diamagnetic fields?
Thanks for looking
Art
With the current leaving the conductor the two vectors for the most
efficient elevation and thrust *( are vector with heliical spin) to
the surface residing particles as shown by Gauss which also aligns
with Maxwell.

One thing I should mention is when the "surface" current flow begins
the radiation pattern goes thru a 90 degree phase change( a connection
to the EH driven antennas perhaps?)
I am now re writing the program with the x and y coordinates
interchanged to see if some clues
come to light when f/b and gain figures change from the X to the Y
axis
Art

What happens after the magnetic field is saturated is excess energy
then goes to increase the electric field which is enclosed inside a
shield or Faraday cage for maximum density which produces two vectors
equal to the two vectors created by gravity and spin as shown with the
tipped vertical. These vectors arise fro a diamagnetic condition when
the electrical field achieves satuaration or maximum density with a
Farady shield.
The importance of these two vectors is that we have the displacement
vector which elevates particles or electrons at rest on the coil
wire,.
It is this vector which is equal and opposite to gravity that allows
for ":straight line trajectory" of the negatively charged particle
such that the other vector is free from constriction in all forms
which is synonomous to equilibrium.
Thus a solenoid can be seen as a radiator according to Maxwell where
the magnetic vector is canceled for maximum efficiency.
This also shows that the previous two element design where both
elements are resonant within a boundary which must be included as a
shield around the two element array for maximum efficiency.
I find it completely fascinating that the two vectors I propose as
Einstein's predicted version of the Standard Model turns up once again
in this solenoid version of a radiator within a Faraday cage to which
a horn is easily added.
So this thread now comes to closure
Regards
Art