"K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 6, 9:18 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Like the "if its power be shifted for a moment within the mass (neither
of
these cases being difficult to realise if A and B be either electric or
magnetic bodies), then an effect equivalent to a lateral disturbance will
take place in the resultant upon which we are fixing our attention.."

What your dipole prodce: TEM waves or "an effect equivalent to a lateral
disturbance " ?
S*

you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote
something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays are
phased..

that has filtered out all the theories that were thrown away than
reading the raw conjectures of early theorists.

In textbooks are theories with math. Faraday described an ideas.
His idea without an aether and with the electrons seems to be correct.
S*

On Feb 6, 5:24*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 6, 9:18 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Like the "if its power be shifted for a moment within the mass (neither
of
these cases being difficult to realise if A and B be either electric or
magnetic bodies), then an effect equivalent to a lateral disturbance will
take place in the resultant upon which we are fixing our attention.."

What your dipole prodce: TEM waves or "an effect equivalent to a lateral
disturbance " ?
S*
you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote

something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. *it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. *you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays are
phased..

that has filtered out all the theories that were thrown away than

reading the raw conjectures of early theorists.

In textbooks are theories with math. Faraday described an ideas.
His idea without an aether and with the electrons seems to be correct.
S*

it may seem to be to you, but it isn't. look at maxwell's equations,
there is no need for free charge for propagating waves.

On 2/6/2011 11:24 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
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you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote
something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays are
phased..


And your comment here implies something? You have stated nothing.

tom
K0TAR

Uzytkownik "tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 2/6/2011 11:24 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci


you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote
something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays
are
phased..


And your comment here implies something? You have stated nothing.

In Heaviside's model waves are polarised. It means that the waves are
transversal (rotational vibrations). The medium is a solid dielectric.

In Faraday model the two or more sources of pressure waves produce effect
equivalent to the transverse waves.
In Faraday's electrons no transverse waves. Are such in wires?
S*

On Feb 7, 8:03*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "tom" napisal w wiadomoscinews:4d4f5d60$0$87580$8046368a@newsreade r.iphouse.net...



On 2/6/2011 11:24 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
* *napisal w wiadomosci

you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote
something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. *it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. *you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays
are
phased..

And your comment here implies something? *You have stated nothing.

In Heaviside's model waves are polarised. It means that the waves are
transversal (rotational vibrations). The medium is a solid dielectric.

In Faraday model the two or more sources of pressure waves produce effect
equivalent to the transverse waves.
In Faraday's electrons no transverse waves. Are such in wires?
S*

as long as you continue to live in the 1800's you will never learn the
truth.

On 2/7/2011 11:40 AM, K1TTT wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:03 am, "Szczepan wrote:
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On 2/6/2011 11:24 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci

you must remember, that just because any of those old guys wrote
something it doesn't mean that they believed it even a year later.
they were all putting up theories and trying to connect electricity
and magnetism with just about anything else for many years. it was
even many years before anyone figured out that electricity and
magnetism were related. you would learn much more by using a modern
text

In modern text is wrote that dipoles are polarised and multipoles arrays
are
phased..

And your comment here implies something? You have stated nothing.

In Heaviside's model waves are polarised. It means that the waves are
transversal (rotational vibrations). The medium is a solid dielectric.

In Faraday model the two or more sources of pressure waves produce effect
equivalent to the transverse waves.
In Faraday's electrons no transverse waves. Are such in wires?
S*

as long as you continue to live in the 1800's you will never learn the
truth.


Being ignorant is not so shameful as being unwilling to learn.

"John - KD5YI" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 2/7/2011 11:40 AM, K1TTT wrote:

In Heaviside's model waves are polarised. It means that the waves are
transversal (rotational vibrations). The medium is a solid dielectric.

In Faraday model the two or more sources of pressure waves produce
effect
equivalent to the transverse waves.
In Faraday's electrons no transverse waves. Are such in wires?
S*

as long as you continue to live in the 1800's you will never learn the
truth.


Being ignorant is not so shameful as being unwilling to learn.

Yes and no. I am an ignorant but I am here to learn.

It seems to me that Faraday model fits to todays radio. Why not?
S*

On Feb 8, 8:37*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"John - KD5YI" napisal w ...



On 2/7/2011 11:40 AM, K1TTT wrote:

In Heaviside's model waves are polarised. It means that the waves are
transversal (rotational vibrations). The medium is a solid dielectric..

In Faraday model the two or more sources of pressure waves produce
effect
equivalent to the transverse waves.
In Faraday's electrons no transverse waves. Are such in wires?
S*

as long as you continue to live in the 1800's you will never learn the
truth.

Being ignorant is not so shameful as being unwilling to learn.

Yes and no. I am an ignorant but I am here to learn.

It seems to me that Faraday model fits to todays radio. Why not?
S*

because it is wrong? at least the stuff that you quote is. faraday
did make a contribution to maxwell's equations, but not anything that
required an aether or free electrons flying around.

On Feb 8, 12:37*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
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Yes and no. I am an ignorant but I am here to learn.

It's a noble goal, but this is, perhaps, not the best place for you to
to do that...

Cheers,
Tom

On 2/8/2011 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:


Being ignorant is not so shameful as being unwilling to learn.

Yes and no. I am an ignorant but I am here to learn.

It seems to me that Faraday model fits to todays radio. Why not?
S*



You seem to be resisting learning from those who know much better than
you. I would suggest you stop resisting, start listening and begin
learning.

I hate to be pessimistic, but I doubt you will do even 1 of the 3
suggestions.

tom
K0TAR