On Feb 25, 9:11*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"RadioWave" radio@oidar . ..



A magnetic loop will work indoor and outdoor. Low on the ground and high
in
the sky. And without a counterpoise. Dipoles require space. Verticals
require counterpoise. When there is little space or other restrictions the
loop is a nice alternative.

Your loop is not magnetic. Look at Fig. 2:http://www.antiquewireless.org/otb/lodge1102.htm

Radio wavesare are radiated from the nodes. In dipole the nodes are created
by reflected wave (waves in the opposite direction). In the loop the waves
travel in oppsite direction and create the nodes also.

Verticals work like the Kundt's tube. Dipoles like the two Kundt's tubes.
A loop is like a dipole where the reflected wave is replacesd by the on from
the second wire.

Hertz has the dipole and the loop:http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~jone...res/lecture6/h...

S*



don't bother arguing with him, he is stuck in about 1880 with jumping
electrons and a charged aether.

On Feb 25, 6:04*am, K1TTT wrote:
he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Feb 25, 12:41*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Feb 25, 6:04*am, K1TTT wrote:

*he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of
electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

"K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Feb 25, 12:41 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Feb 25, 6:04 am, K1TTT wrote:

he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of
electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

It is from 1846: http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html
Faraday wrote:
"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter, and of force or power associated with these nuclei."

Aether and a sea of electrons (as the rare plasma) is not the same.The other
scientists needs a mystery aether where a strain, stress and flows take
place. Faradays electrons vibrate.
S*

On Feb 25, 5:02*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 25, 12:41 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Feb 25, 6:04 am, K1TTT wrote:

he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of

electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

It is from 1846:http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.htmlFaraday wrote:

"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter, and of force or power associated with these nuclei."

Aether and a sea of electrons (as the rare plasma) is not the same.The other
scientists needs a mystery aether where a strain, stress and flows take
place. Faradays electrons vibrate.
S*

sorry, 1846, even older than i thought... aether, sea of electrons,
rare plasma, none are necessary for electromagnetic waves.

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Feb 25, 5:02 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT" napisal w
...
On Feb 25, 12:41 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Feb 25, 6:04 am, K1TTT wrote:

he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of

electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

It is from 1846:http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.htmlFaraday wrote:

"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter, and of force or power associated with these
nuclei."

Aether and a sea of electrons (as the rare plasma) is not the same.The
other
scientists needs a mystery aether where a strain, stress and flows take
place. Faradays electrons vibrate.
S*

sorry, 1846, even older than i thought... aether, sea of electrons,
rare plasma, none are necessary for electromagnetic waves.

EM are a paper waves. Real radio waves need a medium.
S*

On Feb 25, 6:05*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 25, 5:02 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



"K1TTT" napisal w
...
On Feb 25, 12:41 pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Feb 25, 6:04 am, K1TTT wrote:

he is stuck in about 1880 with ... a charged aether.

If there is no charged aether, where does the "quantized field in a
vacuum" come from? From Wikipedia: "In quantum field theory, the
Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces
arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two
uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, ..."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of

electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

It is from 1846:http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.htmlFaradaywrote:

"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter, and of force or power associated with these
nuclei."

Aether and a sea of electrons (as the rare plasma) is not the same.The
other
scientists needs a mystery aether where a strain, stress and flows take
place. Faradays electrons vibrate.
S*

sorry, 1846, even older than i thought... aether, sea of electrons,
rare plasma, none are necessary for electromagnetic waves.

EM are a paper waves. Real radio waves need a medium.
S*

my em waves are made out of energy not paper... while Einstein says
they are interchangeable my radio would have a hard time receiving
paper.

On Feb 25, 6:54*am, K1TTT wrote:
i am referring to a theory from around 1880 that had a sea of
electrons as the aether for propagating electromagnetic waves.

Change "sea of electrons" to "quantum soup" and the aether theory is
alive and well. Even photons need a structure through which to
propagate.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Feb 24, 2:18*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
*A magnetic antenna (as a loop is often described)
will pick up that (P-static) field as readily as an electric antenna.

Actually the "P-static field" originates directly from electrons while
the EM field originates from photons. What a closed loop does with
those excess electrons is quite different from what a single-wire
dipole does with them. All points on a well-designed loop system have
a path to ground in addition to the signal path. That's not true for a
single-wire dipole. From 1/2 of a dipole, the signal path is the only
path. That's why undischarged dipole systems can arc during conditions
of P-static while loops don't arc. Wouldn't you say that an absence of
arcing is less noisy than the presence of arcing?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Feb 25, 3:11*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Radio wavesare are radiated from the nodes. In dipole the nodes are created
by reflected wave (waves in the opposite direction). In the loop the waves
travel in oppsite direction and create the nodes also.

In a dipole, the reflections are naturally from the impedance
discontinuity at the open ends of the dipole. In a loop, the
reflections on the antenna are from the impedance discontinuity at the
feedpoint.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com