Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some
devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive
amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many
lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to
the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When
I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading
of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is
making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73

On 1/8/2012 8:15 AM, Tuuk wrote:
Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near
some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving
massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom
phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise.
Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things
nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small
reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73



It's RF. Unless all that noise is on the fundamental frequency,
it seems to be rather open to out of band RF. Which is not too
unusual with the wide band receivers those radios have.
I bet you also get loads of intermod when in the middle of
large cities. :/

Hi
Thanks for the responding.

What RF would be causing that near my home's Smart Meter, that new meter
they installed on my home. Are they transmitting the information from that
meter? Wow, when I go near that the FT530 is useless. Should I tell the
electrical supplier to ground that thing or replace it or something? Seems
anything that goes near there is interferred with including mobile phone.

Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement
batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and
found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a
trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks

73






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On 1/8/2012 8:15 AM, Tuuk wrote:
Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near
some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving
massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom
phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise.
Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things
nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small
reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73



It's RF. Unless all that noise is on the fundamental frequency,
it seems to be rather open to out of band RF. Which is not too
unusual with the wide band receivers those radios have.
I bet you also get loads of intermod when in the middle of
large cities. :/

Tuuk wrote:

Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement
batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and
found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a
trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks

IMHO it's a moot point. Buy a battery pack that takes AA batteries. The best
ones being the slow self discharge NiMH batteries. Then you can charge
it in a charger designed for AA NiMH batteries, or use an external charger
that works with the battery but charges based on the proper way of
charging NIMH batteries.

Too many chargers of that era charge by dumping power into them until they
overheat and then shut off. The result is cooked batteries. NiMH batteries
always overheat when charged that way.

New (available at least 15 years ago), stop charging when the voltage out of
the cell dips, which indicates full charge. They can be purchased cheaply
in many places.

Geoff.



--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some
devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive
amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many
lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to
the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When
I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading
of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is
making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73


The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved,
no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger.
Every radio does buzz and crackle
when brought into electromagnetic dirt.

w.

" Tuuk" wrote in message ...

Hi
Thanks for the responding.

What RF would be causing that near my home's Smart Meter, that new meter
they installed on my home. Are they transmitting the information from that
meter? Wow, when I go near that the FT530 is useless. Should I tell the
electrical supplier to ground that thing or replace it or something? Seems
anything that goes near there is interferred with including mobile phone.

Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement
batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and
found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a
trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks

Just about anything that generates an RF signal will also generate noise
around that signal. The noise is supposed to be so weak that it doesn't
travel far to interfere with other devices. Your handheld is most likely
close enough to pick up that noise, and it is "in band" to the receiver.

Helmut Wabnig Inscribed thus:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit
near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show
receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern
Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full
strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away
from these things nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a
small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73


The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved,
no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger.
Every radio does buzz and crackle
when brought into electromagnetic dirt.

w.

FWIW I have a cell tower about 100ft away with an 'if' at 144.000Mhz and
can hear what are probably many conversations going on at once. The
cell operators couldn't care less that it makes the bottom of the band
unusable for me !

--
73s
Best Regards:
Baron.

The noise you are hearing from the electric meter is probably the automatic reporting system, be it RF - where the meter reader either needs to get close for a electronic hand held device to read it, or a radio / computer inside of the truck reads it, or it puts a signal into the line which is read back at the substation.

The RF you are getting off your cell phone type devices is Digital RF.
3G or 4G phones has a continuous stream of information going to and from the tower. That is how you get your phone calls and text messages and information off the internet.

Basically the bottom line is - new hams has a serious problem today and that is that there is no network of Elmers to teach new hams anything.
Most people passes the 35 question, multiple guess test and they get their license and then the clubs leave them out to hang.

People by nature, aren't very bright, and they do not understand how communication works, especially the broadcasting part and radio waves.
Hence after they get their license, they look for the cheapest option to get on the air the fastest, which usually involves some type of handheld radio.

A handheld radio, by design, is designed to be used for things like civic events, club functions and two way communications between hams, with a occasional use into a local repeater.
A handheld radio was never designed to be used as a primary type device for communications, nor does it have much range with it's rubber duckie antenna, especially indoors.

The goal in communications is to get the antenna above the noise level inside of the house, which requires a good outdoors antenna.
The problem is - the handheld radio is most efficient when using a rubber duckie antenna - due to the fact that there is very little loss between the BNC connector and the antenna when you do not have any coax between.

Basically you have found out what it takes some people years to understand, that is that a handheld radio is no good for primary communications, if you want to call yourself a ham radio operator.

You have several basic options -

You could buy a mobile 40 - 50 watt radio and a power supply and a outdoors antenna and share the radio between the mobile and the base station.

You could buy a dedicated base station radio.

You could study and get your General Class license, which would justify spending even more money on a more complex UHF / VHF / HF radio such as a 706 Mark II G or a 849D...... Which would do all the bands - both mobile and in the shack.

Or you could invest in some really good coax and some type of repeater antenna such as a Diamond or Comet and put the antenna outdoors and as high up as you can get it above the roof. Which in my personal opinion isn't the best option because the antenna and or coax will cost more then the radio, depending on how many feet of coax you need and how much you will have to invest to buy pipe and a mount and ground wire, clamps and a stake.

Welcome to Amateur Radio!

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning
anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs
pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online
dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for
a 12v.



"Baron" wrote in message
...
Helmut Wabnig Inscribed thus:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit
near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show
receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern
Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full
strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away
from these things nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a
small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73


The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved,
no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger.
Every radio does buzz and crackle
when brought into electromagnetic dirt.

w.

FWIW I have a cell tower about 100ft away with an 'if' at 144.000Mhz and
can hear what are probably many conversations going on at once. The
cell operators couldn't care less that it makes the bottom of the band
unusable for me !

--
73s
Best Regards:
Baron.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement,
meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the
difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy?


So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a
online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems
about fair for a 12v.

Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably
shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your
head.