Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:

Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US!


Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941. When did
we attack them previous to that date?

Well, the answer to that is that the Destroyers Greer, Kearney and
Reuben James attacked German submarines. THIS is the Nazi explanation
for their declaration.


Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!



In fact, the USS Kearney, DD-432, was torpedoed by the U-568 on 17
October 1941. Six weeks before, the U-652 attacked the Greer.

Well, I suppose Roosevelt melted under pressure to leave Adolf alone,
but then we had the sinking of the Reuben James 30 October 1941 (63
years and a day ago).

For these affronts to their national dignity, the Nazis had no choice
but defend themselves against us - and, well, one thing led to another
as the saying goes.


To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,


Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.

Yeh, and also the League of Nations- But I Repeat: Just WHAT gives
ANY of these folks the power to USURP ANY NATIONS National Sovernity ?

The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES

and Bush is crack smoker and was AWOL from assignment.


Has he admitted to it ?? Kerry DID (see the NEW SOLDIER, authored by
Kerry, Himself!!)

Just what makes either suitable? Because they are not the other?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

But, also, then JUST WHAT GAVE US THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR ON ENGLAND,
so as to found our own independance?? Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals, or heros? Is Ho-Chi Minh
a Hero? Castro? Stalin? Guess it depends on just WHO views history, and from what
viewpoint! NN7K
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NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:

Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US!



Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941. When did
we attack them previous to that date?

Well, the answer to that is that the Destroyers Greer, Kearney and
Reuben James attacked German submarines. THIS is the Nazi explanation
for their declaration.



Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!


In fact, the USS Kearney, DD-432, was torpedoed by the U-568 on 17
October 1941. Six weeks before, the U-652 attacked the Greer.

Well, I suppose Roosevelt melted under pressure to leave Adolf alone,
but then we had the sinking of the Reuben James 30 October 1941 (63
years and a day ago).

For these affronts to their national dignity, the Nazis had no choice
but defend themselves against us - and, well, one thing led to another
as the saying goes.


To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,



Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.


Yeh, and also the League of Nations- But I Repeat: Just WHAT gives
ANY of these folks the power to USURP ANY NATIONS National Sovernity ?

The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES


and Bush is crack smoker and was AWOL from assignment.



Has he admitted to it ?? Kerry DID (see the NEW SOLDIER, authored by
Kerry, Himself!!)

Just what makes either suitable? Because they are not the other?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


But, also, then JUST WHAT GAVE US THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR ON ENGLAND,
so as to found our own independance?? Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals, or heros? Is Ho-Chi Minh
a Hero? Castro? Stalin? Guess it depends on just WHO views history, and
from what viewpoint! NN7K

My vote goes to such luminaries as Genghis Kahn, Attila the Hun, and
Timur the Lame, all of whom did what George just did. Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:36:52 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.

Hi Tom,

DOING better than that. I got myself involved, been working 70 hour
weeks for a month, helped register 2800 voters, and collected about
100 ballots BEFORE November 2nd. And then there is Poll Watching to
be done ON the 2nd.

Come what may - either way - it isn't what is going to happen on the
2nd that counts, it is going to be what happens every day AFTER
Tuesday for very many years.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Chuck wrote:

Propagandist indeed..

That can go for both major parties and the third parties.

Go vote on Tuesday. Vote your values and beliefs. Remember that your vote
last 4 years. I am afraid many people are going to vote out of emotions,
rather than informed decision making.

The Bible tells us to pray for our leaders. We need to pray for our leaders
from the local elections all the way to the national. And please, no Bible or
Christian bashing :-)

Randy ka4nma

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:49:57 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:
Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!

Point is, they never mentioned that.

WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,

Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.

Yeh, and also the League of Nations

In fact the League of Nations was not created by the United States,
and certainly not in San Francisco.

Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals

They were - consult any British source of that era.

Is Ho-Chi Minh Castro? Stalin?

So were they - consult any American source of that era. As you offer,
it is merely the source of the who builds the indictment.

Curious point about this last bunch is that they all read and used the
writings of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin to achieve their
goals.

Ho Chi Minh modeled himself after Gandhi. Gandhi modeled himself
after Thoreau ("Civil Disobedience"). Do you count Thoreau among the
criminal element? Thoreau willingly embraced such a label. Was
Gandhi a terrorist? Ask the Brits - then ask the Indians - then ask
the Pakistanis - then ask the administration. :-)

3 out of 4 will give you a straight answer and the last will offer
"It's hard work!."

Absolutely none of the radical communists learned their craft from
those bourgeois elitists Marx/Engels, they only peddled their DOA
ideology. ALL of their success came from AMERICAN examples. ALL of
their failure came from communism - plain and simple.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Chuck" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,

But Sadaam PROMISED us the "mother of all battles". We had to assume he
was
armed to the teeth. If you can't trust a guy like Sadaam to make a threat
meaningful, gee, who can you trust?

Do you honestly believe a de-fanged

Sadaam "de-fanged"? Hell, even his left-overs are still killing us.

two-bit

If I had a penny for every 2-bits Sadaam had, I'd have my executive
assistant insult you.

tyrant is going to admit to the world he's
impotent? But then, true believers will believe
in just about anything that fits their illusions...

Strange, I was just going to suggest you consult a mirror.


GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest, straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

or WMDs that didn't exist,

Sadaam didn't need WMD to invade Kuwait or to threaten Saudi Arabia. He
certainly had some previously, and had no compunction about using them. To
me, WMD are a non-issue; it's not what he didn't have, it's what he did that
matters.

or the
immediate nuclear threat that didn't exist,
al Queda links that never were,

Usually, your types put the administration in the impossible position of
trying to prove a negative, but this statement looks like you accept some
way to do so. I'm impressed!

or how about
compassionate conservatism, or vote for
me or the terrorists will get you...

Propagandist indeed...

Chuck


Lose the thought somewhere in that last rant, Chuckie? Successful big liars
need to keep focused.

Ed
wb6wsn

In message , Richard Clark
writes
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:36:52 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.

Hi Tom,

DOING better than that. I got myself involved, been working 70 hour
weeks for a month, helped register 2800 voters, and collected about
100 ballots BEFORE November 2nd. And then there is Poll Watching to
be done ON the 2nd.


Why can't you Mercans realise you only have ONE ballot for the
president. And it can't be 'cast', it can only be held.

Unfortunately, the interchangeability of 'ballot' and 'vote' has now
entered BBC English.

We Limeys have a lot the thank Uncle Sam for, but not, sadly, your
despoilation of our language (and your present President, of course).

Sorry, I just HAD to complain.
Cheers,
Ian.
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:33:17 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

Why can't you Mercans realise you only have ONE ballot for the
president. And it can't be 'cast', it can only be held.

Unfortunately, the interchangeability of 'ballot' and 'vote' has now
entered BBC English.


Hi Ian,

According to my OED, Ballot has existed in the sense we all use it
since 1549. I can't imagine which "Mericans" you could blame then.
The notion of not being cast is foreign given the word Ballot derives
from Ball, and if anything, for it to work as a secret vote (the
meaning of Ballot according to the OED) it had to be placed into a
Ballot Box (and having had stood next to one for these several weeks
makes me a Balloteer) about as remote to being held as any.

Others may appreciate that this all devolves to the idiom "Black
Ball." That is, the Ballot indicated if you voted For or Against and
you held it hidden in your hand and deposited it unseen by others into
the pool of other Ballots which were then reckoned after the
completion of the process. If the majority were black, the candidate
was defeated.

Anyway, back to my Ballotist activities. I've got more Ballots to
collect.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:36:52 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:


Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.


Hi Tom,

DOING better than that. I got myself involved, been working 70 hour
weeks for a month, helped register 2800 voters, and collected about
100 ballots BEFORE November 2nd. And then there is Poll Watching to
be done ON the 2nd.

Come what may - either way - it isn't what is going to happen on the
2nd that counts, it is going to be what happens every day AFTER
Tuesday for very many years.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi Richard,
the present administration sure has revivified the
democratic process by angering everyone it could, and re-starting
the culture wars. I don't think a different president will change
foreign policy much, though. Once a nation gets as mighty as
ours, it seems to get power-drunk therefrom and blows all its resources
on controlling the world. The next four years should be interesting, but
painful, no matter who controls the White House.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

"Ed Price" wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,
...
GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest, straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left
with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

Perhaps I give greater credibility to the folks
who served with Kerry in this regard, than
the vile rhetoric of folks with an un-American
religious/political agenda. Kerry was not alone
in his distain for that war, but the hawks who
opposed his position then, are still carrying a
grudge now - after all these years - that's both
obsessive and perverted IMO!

When a President has more loyalty to his
mega-corporate cronies and the looney
megalomaniac Pat Robertson, than he has
for the common folk, he does not deserve
to hold the office.

Chuck