Allodoxaphobia wrote:
Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
:-)

The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100%
on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to
OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde,
floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1.
I've never looked back, and never regreted it.

Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox!

gl
Jonesy

I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst
other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC
_YOUR_ PC

1 Don't run a Microsoft OS

2 Don't run a Microsoft OS.

3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no
exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the
firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't
use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection.

4 See rule #3.

5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here.

6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or
any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora,
already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of
Agent, so I can't comment.

7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc.

8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc.

9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS


All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject.

tom
K0TAR

Tom Ring wrote:
Allodoxaphobia wrote:

Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
Firefox :-)

The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100%
on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went
to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus --
the olde,
floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1.
I've never looked back, and never regreted it.

Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox!

gl
Jonesy


I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst
other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC
_YOUR_ PC

1 Don't run a Microsoft OS

2 Don't run a Microsoft OS.

3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no
exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the
firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't
use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection.

4 See rule #3.

5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here.

6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or
any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora,
already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of
Agent, so I can't comment.

7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon,
etc.

8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc.

9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS


All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject.

tom
K0TAR
Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is
active at all times.

Dave WD9BDZ

David G. Nagel wrote:

Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is
active at all times.

You bet! That is why it is important to deny it access to the web with
your firewall.

It doesn't hurt to cut out Windows media player while you are at it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

David G. Nagel wrote:
Tom Ring wrote:

Allodoxaphobia wrote:

Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
Firefox :-)

The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100%
on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went
to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus --
the olde,
floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1.
I've never looked back, and never regreted it.

Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox!

gl
Jonesy



I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst
other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your
PC _YOUR_ PC

1 Don't run a Microsoft OS

2 Don't run a Microsoft OS.

3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no
exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the
firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't
use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection.

4 See rule #3.

5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here.

6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or
any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use
Eudora, already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no
knowledge of Agent, so I can't comment.

7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr
Solomon, etc.

8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc.

9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS


All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject.

tom
K0TAR

Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is
active at all times.

Dave WD9BDZ

Yes, IE is coded in, but that's because it is integral with the file
browsers. I'm running XP Pro.

90% of the time I use Netscape 7.2, which is a step up from 7.1. It
has a nice junk mail filter and popup blocker built in. With the browser
you can have multiple web sites opened up with only one instance of the
browser. The mail and newsgroup section can manage multiple mail servers
and news servers. Some of the buttons seem to have gone away, but I found
them again as configuration items.

But, where IE is really useful is running it in the FTP mode. I can connect
to my web site with a single command and use click and drag to move anything
I want to. An incredibly handy little thing. This works with anonymous ftp
sites as well. I haven't found Netscape to be interactive with the file
browsers.

My mail servers are all spam and virus filtered, so not much gets past
them. Netscape then takes care of the rest.

I also use Netscape 7.1 on Unix. It works great on my Ultra-450 running
Solaris 8. I have IE on there, but the newest version supported is only
5.1, I think. I run 6.2 here. It works, but not real well. It's a pretty
hooky setup.

McAfee runs on both Unix systems and PCs and works very well. You do
have to keep up with it. I get a dat file update about once a week.
Daily some times, when the hackers are real active. My Unix install
scans 20 servers and about 10 TBytes of data in a weeks time. It is
not common to find a virus lurking around but when there is one, it
finds it. Of course, the only ones it finds are Linux viruses. For this,
and many other reasons, I wouldn't recommend Linux to anyone.

But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish
IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but
I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they
pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders
everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but
nothing great.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:52:58 -0700, K7MEM wrote:

David G. Nagel wrote:



But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish
IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but
I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they
pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders
everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but
nothing great.

FYI, I have IE6, with Service Pack 2 (for XP Home Edition), and that
includes a Microsoft pop-up blocker. It works better than StopZilla's
blocker, and it's free.

Bob
k5qwg

Bob Miller wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:52:58 -0700, K7MEM wrote:


David G. Nagel wrote:



But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish
IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but
I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they
pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders
everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but
nothing great.


FYI, I have IE6, with Service Pack 2 (for XP Home Edition), and that
includes a Microsoft pop-up blocker. It works better than StopZilla's
blocker, and it's free.

Bob
k5qwg

I also have IE6, but I run XP Pro with Service Pack 2. I have not found
that the Microsoft pop-up blocker is better. I hit a site, a couple of
months ago. Before I connected, my counter was around 900 popups blocked.
The next time I looked at it, it was 9,000 popups blocked. I didn't even
notice a glitch. This was with Netscape. With IE, I would not have been
so lucky.

IE has a lot of good points and is the most used browser. I develop my
web pages using Netscape, but wouldn't publish any of them if I didn't
first test them with IE. I run a monitor on my web site and IE has a
80 percent share of all browsers, but it is also the most targeted.
Netscape is only running at 10-12 percent share, with all the rest
filling in the last 8 percent.

Netscape is also free.

--
Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM
http://www.k7mem.com

I had to switch from Firefox 1.0 to Mozilla due to a problem in saving
web page content to my local hard drive v-e-r-y s-l-o-w, as in 100%
CPU utilization for 1 to 5 minutes, and sometime hanging (I'm running
XP Pro on this machine, Mandrake 9.2 on the laptop and servers).
Thunderbird has no trouble at all, but when I made the switch, the
pop-ups and banners came in a deluge!

Then I installed Proxomitron with no special settings (I'm still
figuring out its capabilities) and at least 90% of the junk went away.
Three cheers for freeware!

Ted KX4OM

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:30:58 -0600, Tom Ring
wrote:

Allodoxaphobia wrote:
Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox
:-)

The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100%
on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to
OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde,
floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1.
I've never looked back, and never regreted it.

Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox!

gl
Jonesy

I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst
other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC
_YOUR_ PC

1 Don't run a Microsoft OS

2 Don't run a Microsoft OS.

3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no
exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the
firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't
use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection.

4 See rule #3.

5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here.

6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or
any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora,
already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of
Agent, so I can't comment.

7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc.

8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc.

9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS


All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject.

tom
K0TAR