Um,,,,,,,, when the power goes out and phone lines go down, how is the
computer going to help? It won't.
You'll be sitting there with your thumbs stuck up your ass while those with
radios are able to talk. You're right about one thing, your logic is faulty.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

And the oil with last forever (however, they told the gold miners the gold
would last forever--the lumberjacks the timber would last forever--and that
the water was without end...)
Hams are probably the smallest minority on the planet...
Of course if you ignore the above--ham radio will last forever!!!!

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...
I doubt it........ just because a "group" wants something, doesn't mean
they'll get it. Your group may be in numbers due to the job they do, but
not in other avenues as well - nor does it give them the right to break
laws. Again, the law IS the law - until someone changes it. Given there are
many truckers who are also VALID hams, its doubtful they would vote in your
favor. They don't break the law, they got their license unlike others who
are too lazy to get up off their ass and make the effort to learn what
little it takes to get a license. A few years ago, it was tough for those
who had no inclination to learn. Many years ago, you even had to draw
schematics and even before that - BUILD a circuit. Given the poor poor
pitiful me act which someone had enacted for stupidity's sake, now the
tests are made so it's almost impossible to fail. Try studying, get your
license, then use H.F. to your hearts content. The use of communications
for what you mention, can be left with the CB band, it works just as well
right there. If you guys would quit running power, echo boxes, etc to drown
each other out and splatter all 40 channels, maybe more could talk and get
the communication through. A clean signal gets through every bit as good or
better than one filled with garbage. Try it sometime. The only one's you'll
be competing with are your buds who still talk with the garbage. Too bad
the FCC hasn't thought of setting up shop at the Weigh Stations. They could
bust the truckers for illegal radios while the cops are busting them for
bad mechanical problems, poor log books and so on. The FCC "has" busted a
few truckers, just not enough. NO JOB - I don't care what you do - gives
you the right to break the law or think you're special. I know a trucking
company who just lost most of their hauls due to the oil prices. Now the
loads go by Train. So DO NOT THINK - you are so on top of the world. It
could come crashing down.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways
for recreation.
Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers
would probably end up with the frequencies in question...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham
on CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than
a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US...
and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards


Yes they do provide a valuable service, however, that does not give them
the right to disobey the law - be it the FCC's laws or even speed laws.
What you seem to be implying is that their service gives them carte
blanch to do as they please.

Maybe Hams do go on CB bands, so what! As long as it is with Type
accepted equipment, meaning a "legal" CB set, there is nothing wrong
with that picture. IF they are using HAM gear to talk out of Ham bands,
then it too is illegal. To go into the ham bands with out a license is
also illegal.

There's no other way to cut it - you either operate within the law or
contrary to it. IF contrary, then you have no claim in your defense, as
they do not accept the "ignorance" excuse. The law is the law until
someone decides to change it.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.

cl

Well, that could happen...
But I would suppose they will run an electrical cord over to the hams
generator and keep on communicating...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...
Um,,,,,,,, when the power goes out and phone lines go down, how is the
computer going to help? It won't.
You'll be sitting there with your thumbs stuck up your ass while those
with radios are able to talk. You're right about one thing, your logic is
faulty.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

haaaa only got 12 peolpe .not bad for a troll the freeband peolpe
spend a lot of money buying those hf rigs and use it only on the
freeband.not to smart.anyway suckers 73s from the big bam

"John Smith" wrote in message
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

If you can't see the value in amateur radio than you are a idiot. anyone who
thinks it's ok to operate in a band they are not licensed to be in because
they are doing something good is messed up. what's worse is if you think it
would be ok to give up the band because a trucker is doing something
productive? geez.. Listen around there is ALOT more going on the amateur
bands than pure recreation.

Adair - KD5DYP

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:23:07 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways for
recreation.

So you're calling the babble that the truckers put out an "assist to
the delivery of products?"

You have to be trolling.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.


Man, You hit a nerve on that statement , Maybe you wanted to say " We need
more disobedience in this country" didnt you ? The have's trying to run the
lives of the have not's for one ...I guess it always was that way for the
most part , Dont be suprised if that changes in the not to distant future.
Common folk are gettin sick and tired of rising costs of goods in general,
perverts raping and killing little kids ,Look now at people freakin out and
doin goofy ****. Mankind (in general) is in for drastic changes in the next
10 to 20 years ..History will start to repeat itself just as soon as oil
prices start to be unaffordable to us commen folk. So act now...buy a horse
and wagon

-----

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.



Great. Think I'll run out and buy myself a big-ass Volvo-White sleeper with
a 53-foot trailer and when the cops ask for my CDL license, I'll tell them
I'm a free-roader and I don't need any stinking CDL. Sounds fair to me.

--

Joe S.


Regards

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

Well, I guess the FCC could increase the cost of licences by about 10000% to
cover the costs of enforcing this for a very small number who would
benefit--but don't hold your breath...
Sure, most of those truckers are running 500+ watts and I have seen 1500
watt linears being built by a retired engineer in his garage (mobile
linears!) for extra beer money...
But hey, those truckers are in most towns and cities for a matter of
minutes, they don't get paid unless they are laying down miles on a
road--they are only temporary inconveniences...
"Radio Police" running up and down the freeways pursuing truckers seems to
come in low on a list including terrorists, illegal aliens, a failing SSI
system, increasing drug and medical costs, etc, etc--the danger of being
sued for illegal searches alone is scarry... not to even mention how
ridiculous it all sounds to people outside ham radio!
Becomming totally involved in a hobby to the point of losing all sense of
importance of reality is fine--I like to day dream--but get real!

Regards

"Joe S." wrote in message
...
-----

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.



Great. Think I'll run out and buy myself a big-ass Volvo-White sleeper
with
a 53-foot trailer and when the cops ask for my CDL license, I'll tell them
I'm a free-roader and I don't need any stinking CDL. Sounds fair to me.

--

Joe S.


Regards

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, "Clarence_A" wrote:


"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz


Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction. NOT
SMART!


Freebanding is the least of my worries with truckers. Big trucks are
5 percent of the vehicles on the road. They are involved in 25
percent of the accidents. Naturally, they blame this on the cars.
The corrupt federal, state and local governments are paid off by the
motor freight (fright?) industry to look the other way on speeding and
almost all other infractions. When was it last time you saw a truck
pulled over? How often do they go by on the highway in excess of 75
MPH? Do the math.

Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get
caught and fined - big time.

Russ