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"(A)What are the forces that the wind exerts on a tower and
(B)are these forces evenly distributed?" A. More than you might think! B. No. Depends on the particular configuration of the tower's load, and the strength/speed of the wind. Infinitely variable. You already know that there's no 'good' solution for one set of guywires. The 'best' solution I've heard so far is an excess of insurance and a gulible claims adjuster. 'Doc |
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Thank you all for the information. I knew I could find good"stuff" out
there. The wind generator (not an antenna) I was planning has limited information available as to loads. ie. No Flat Plate or FPE numbers. The only statement is that the tower must take a 200 pound lateral thrust and not deflect more than six inches with winds of 200 mph. The Trylon T-200 tower specs. for my maximum wind speed area (from the chart at their web site), shows that the T-200 will take a 42 pound lateral thrust at winds of 85 mph. If 120 mph winds cause the wind generator to exert 200 pounds of lateral thrust, what speed of the wind will yield the 42 pound maximum lateral thrust that the tower will hold? Please show your work. |
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fcrumpler,
Figured as a simple ratio, about 25-30 mph. No idea if that's accurate... 'Doc |
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Dear "fcrumpler" no call, no location:
Theoretically, the force produced by moving air impacting on a flat plate is proportionally to the square of the air's velocity. However, in the real world where one should appropriately deal with wind gusts and variability of materials, things are not so simple. Safety factors should be used. Accommodation for the significant vibration to be caused by your proposed "wind generator" must be made. Numbers supplied by some vendors involve no safety factors. You need to retain a Professional Engineer licensed in your state or province who is experienced with vertical wind structures. This is certainly the case if the proposed structure is able to damage other property or endanger living things. It is not safe for you to scale the numbers that you have. Too little information. Too much risk. Mac N8TT -- J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A. Home: |
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Cecil, !5DXP wrote:
"According to Rohn, a single set of guy wires limits the tower to 40 - feet maximum height - sorry about that." Well, it depends on the Model No. and how you will load the tower. It is best to follow thw manufacturer`s recommendations to the letter. There is a length that you can stack which will endure without guys in most cases. Towers usually come in 20-ft. sections. Often one or two sections is all it is safe to use without guys. Windloading the tower is expected to withstand, often determines space between guy points. Wind exerts force on the tower and its appurtences, often expressed in a sum of pounds per square foot on the area facing the wind.. Resistance (drag) produces a differential pressure on items in the wind. Force is proportional to the projected area in the wind, and varies with the shape and roughness of the item in the wind. Windload on a tower is not uniform. The wind usually blows harder at higher altitudes. Wind tries to turn the tower over but until something yields, it is in equilibrium and the summation of of forces about the base of the tower is zero. The summation of torques is zero. Guywires exert force in yje only way they can. They have tension in the direction of the wire. This may be resolved into vertical and horizontal components. This prevents movement and increases base loading when the wind blows. Pressure on items in the wind (pounds per square feet) is a function of the square of the wind velocity (miles per jour). One formula considered useful is named "Ensewiler" which is said to give: 22.5 psf = 85 MPH 45 psf = 134MPH 60 psf = 155MPH 75 psf = 173MPH Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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