Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:

"Don't worry be happy" -- song by Bobby McFerrin


Actually more like: "Existence Exists." by Aristotle

What if the universe is simply a complex process that
man doesn't yet understand and there is/was no purpose
at all?

What if? You mean it's *not*???

- Mike KB3EIA -

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:

And, I believe it is true, "nature" only demonstrates destructive
forces ...


Nope, sorry to slay your sacred cow. You "knowledge" on
this subject is woefully out of date. *Order out of chaos*
is a *scientifically proven fact* which can be demonstrated
to you in any number of ways.

Got lipids? You got cells.


"Chaos: Making a New Science",
by James Gleick is enjoyable reading. DNA certainly could
have emerged from a soup of organic ingredients following
only the mathematical model of chaos theory.

Next, what gets trapped in those lipid cells.... If you have the
ingredients, It is hard *not* to form something that eventually creates
life.

However, it
seems to me more likely that our planet was seeded with
life from somewhere else since the rest of the universe
had approximately a 9 billion year head start on our planet.

Possibly, but that's the easy way out.


Some scientists believe that the seeds of life exist in
virtually every comet. Consider that an exploding planet,
containing life, could have formed the asteroid belt and
blanketed the rest of our solar system with the seeds of life.

I believe that new life happens all the time. In seawater there is a
plethora of microscopic life forms that give intriguing hints at this.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Like I say, when I see one, I'll believe it... I am not going to take that
by "leap of faith!"

Plus, turn on the major biologists to this fact--they have been
contemplating ways to bring back the Dodo Bird for decades! This sounds
like it just might be an aid to them!

Warmest regards,
John
--
Marbles can be used in models with excellent results! However, if forced
to keep using all of mine up... I may end up at a disadvantage... I seem
to have misplaced some already!!!


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
| Cecil Moore wrote:
| John Smith wrote:
|
| And, I believe it is true, "nature" only demonstrates destructive
| forces ...
|
|
| Nope, sorry to slay your sacred cow. You "knowledge" on
| this subject is woefully out of date. *Order out of chaos*
| is a *scientifically proven fact* which can be demonstrated
| to you in any number of ways.
|
| Got lipids? You got cells.
|
|
| "Chaos: Making a New Science",
| by James Gleick is enjoyable reading. DNA certainly could
| have emerged from a soup of organic ingredients following
| only the mathematical model of chaos theory.
|
| Next, what gets trapped in those lipid cells.... If you have the
| ingredients, It is hard *not* to form something that eventually creates
| life.
|
| However, it
| seems to me more likely that our planet was seeded with
| life from somewhere else since the rest of the universe
| had approximately a 9 billion year head start on our planet.
|
| Possibly, but that's the easy way out.
|
|
| Some scientists believe that the seeds of life exist in
| virtually every comet. Consider that an exploding planet,
| containing life, could have formed the asteroid belt and
| blanketed the rest of our solar system with the seeds of life.
|
| I believe that new life happens all the time. In seawater there is a
| plethora of microscopic life forms that give intriguing hints at this.
|
| - Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:
Well, your questions are interesting, I am sure you mean to point something
else out, but I hear: "What is this "God's" logic in creating conjoined
twins? - an insane morbid sense of humor?"...

--AS--

..."What is this "God" about, has he no sense of decency?--has he no respect
for the designs of men, their logic, purposes, expectations and goals?"

Lessee, he creates us so that unless we worship him, he tortures us for
eternity.

To know the mind of "God" may not please us... it is quite possible "God"
is insane--if so, it may be a longtime before a sane replacement is found...

Indeed, almost all points of view I hear today would design "God" in our
image,

Man *always* creates god in his own image.


using our logic, and not the way it has really (and already) been
done--and is one of the reasons I have more questions than answers

That is a good sign!


--one
being, "Are we even sane enough to be able to handle these tasks and seek
these answers?"



Most even refuse to believe a power greater than us is our master, and so,
travel about seeking the "one" to control and punish and bend to their
wills--perhaps, a grave mistake... would it be easier to accept if the "Mud
Puddle God" of "Evolution" is responsible for this design--is the human
condition so much more easy to accept if this is the case? Would it be "OK"
then?

Calling Evolution a religion is simply incorrect. I "believe" in
evolution, by virtue of the preponderance of evidence, and the
connection with so many other "facts" of the physical world as we know
it now. But I do not pray to evolution, I do not go to an evolution
church or go through some ceremony to prove to the world that I am an
evolutionist - whatever an evolutionist is....

Check out the connections. If evolution is "wrong" or does not exist,
then indeed, most physics "facts" are not facts at all, they are dead
wrong. Not only is evolution wrong, but radioactive decay is wrong, etc,
etc, etc.

As to "us", well, we are POSITIVE proof it has been done--but no proof of
"who" has done it, how it has been done, or even why it has been done...
but, we should keep searching... an answer may be found...

Why? Because it can be done.

However, often I wonder if all of this isn't really just in my mind--you are
all not real, and I just imagine these conversations to amuse myself... To
search to find out if "God" is real or not, without even first having
decided about all of you is a bit insane in itself... I have had dreams and
carried on elaborate conversations with the likes of you (or one such as
you)--and then woke up!!!! In at least one dream I have "pinched myself",
not wokeup and accepted this as proof positive I was not dreaming!!! A
great error!

Let's face it, it takes a leap of faith for me even to believe in you... I
am pinching myself now, as we chat...

Kinky! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

If you believe in it because of "virtue of the preponderance of evidence" it
shows you easily confuse "leap of faith" with "positive proof."

Warmest regards,
John
--
Marbles can be used in models with excellent results! However, if forced
to keep using all of mine up... I may end up at a disadvantage... I seem
to have misplaced some already!!!


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
| Well, your questions are interesting, I am sure you mean to point
something
| else out, but I hear: "What is this "God's" logic in creating conjoined
| twins? - an insane morbid sense of humor?"...
|
| --AS--
|
| ..."What is this "God" about, has he no sense of decency?--has he no
respect
| for the designs of men, their logic, purposes, expectations and goals?"
|
| Lessee, he creates us so that unless we worship him, he tortures us for
| eternity.
|
| To know the mind of "God" may not please us... it is quite possible
"God"
| is insane--if so, it may be a longtime before a sane replacement is
found...
|
| Indeed, almost all points of view I hear today would design "God" in our
| image,
|
| Man *always* creates god in his own image.
|
|
| using our logic, and not the way it has really (and already) been
| done--and is one of the reasons I have more questions than answers
|
| That is a good sign!
|
|
| --one
| being, "Are we even sane enough to be able to handle these tasks and
seek
| these answers?"
|
|
|
| Most even refuse to believe a power greater than us is our master, and
so,
| travel about seeking the "one" to control and punish and bend to their
| wills--perhaps, a grave mistake... would it be easier to accept if the
"Mud
| Puddle God" of "Evolution" is responsible for this design--is the human
| condition so much more easy to accept if this is the case? Would it be
"OK"
| then?
|
| Calling Evolution a religion is simply incorrect. I "believe" in
| evolution, by virtue of the preponderance of evidence, and the
| connection with so many other "facts" of the physical world as we know
| it now. But I do not pray to evolution, I do not go to an evolution
| church or go through some ceremony to prove to the world that I am an
| evolutionist - whatever an evolutionist is....
|
| Check out the connections. If evolution is "wrong" or does not exist,
| then indeed, most physics "facts" are not facts at all, they are dead
| wrong. Not only is evolution wrong, but radioactive decay is wrong, etc,
| etc, etc.
|
| As to "us", well, we are POSITIVE proof it has been done--but no proof
of
| "who" has done it, how it has been done, or even why it has been done...
| but, we should keep searching... an answer may be found...
|
| Why? Because it can be done.
|
| However, often I wonder if all of this isn't really just in my mind--you
are
| all not real, and I just imagine these conversations to amuse myself...
To
| search to find out if "God" is real or not, without even first having
| decided about all of you is a bit insane in itself... I have had dreams
and
| carried on elaborate conversations with the likes of you (or one such as
| you)--and then woke up!!!! In at least one dream I have "pinched
myself",
| not wokeup and accepted this as proof positive I was not dreaming!!! A
| great error!
|
| Let's face it, it takes a leap of faith for me even to believe in you...
I
| am pinching myself now, as we chat...
|
| Kinky! 8^)
|
| - Mike KB3EIA -

You know, "time" may just prove you correct...

At some distant time in the future, when some horse lover goes out to the
barn to saddle up and take a ride--and is suddenly shocked his/her horse has
"evolved" and now deserves a new scientific classification all its own...
we will know...

But, more likely what will have happened, is in a lab somewhere a "thinking
mind" has constructed the new animal... a quick look at the calendar, at
that time, will show it is indeed April First!!!

Warmest regards,
John
--
Marbles can be used in models with excellent results! However, if forced
to keep using all of mine up... I may end up at a disadvantage... I seem
to have misplaced some already!!!


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| If you believe in it because of "virtue of the preponderance of evidence"
it
| shows you easily confuse "leap of faith" with "positive proof."
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
| --
| Marbles can be used in models with excellent results! However, if forced
| to keep using all of mine up... I may end up at a disadvantage... I seem
| to have misplaced some already!!!
|
|
| "Mike Coslo" wrote in message
| ...
|| John Smith wrote:
|| Well, your questions are interesting, I am sure you mean to point
| something
|| else out, but I hear: "What is this "God's" logic in creating conjoined
|| twins? - an insane morbid sense of humor?"...
||
|| --AS--
||
|| ..."What is this "God" about, has he no sense of decency?--has he no
| respect
|| for the designs of men, their logic, purposes, expectations and goals?"
||
|| Lessee, he creates us so that unless we worship him, he tortures us for
|| eternity.
||
|| To know the mind of "God" may not please us... it is quite possible
| "God"
|| is insane--if so, it may be a longtime before a sane replacement is
| found...
||
|| Indeed, almost all points of view I hear today would design "God" in
our
|| image,
||
|| Man *always* creates god in his own image.
||
||
|| using our logic, and not the way it has really (and already) been
|| done--and is one of the reasons I have more questions than answers
||
|| That is a good sign!
||
||
|| --one
|| being, "Are we even sane enough to be able to handle these tasks and
| seek
|| these answers?"
||
||
||
|| Most even refuse to believe a power greater than us is our master, and
| so,
|| travel about seeking the "one" to control and punish and bend to their
|| wills--perhaps, a grave mistake... would it be easier to accept if the
| "Mud
|| Puddle God" of "Evolution" is responsible for this design--is the human
|| condition so much more easy to accept if this is the case? Would it be
| "OK"
|| then?
||
|| Calling Evolution a religion is simply incorrect. I "believe" in
|| evolution, by virtue of the preponderance of evidence, and the
|| connection with so many other "facts" of the physical world as we know
|| it now. But I do not pray to evolution, I do not go to an evolution
|| church or go through some ceremony to prove to the world that I am an
|| evolutionist - whatever an evolutionist is....
||
|| Check out the connections. If evolution is "wrong" or does not exist,
|| then indeed, most physics "facts" are not facts at all, they are dead
|| wrong. Not only is evolution wrong, but radioactive decay is wrong, etc,
|| etc, etc.
||
|| As to "us", well, we are POSITIVE proof it has been done--but no proof
| of
|| "who" has done it, how it has been done, or even why it has been
done...
|| but, we should keep searching... an answer may be found...
||
|| Why? Because it can be done.
||
|| However, often I wonder if all of this isn't really just in my
mind--you
| are
|| all not real, and I just imagine these conversations to amuse myself...
| To
|| search to find out if "God" is real or not, without even first having
|| decided about all of you is a bit insane in itself... I have had
dreams
| and
|| carried on elaborate conversations with the likes of you (or one such
as
|| you)--and then woke up!!!! In at least one dream I have "pinched
| myself",
|| not wokeup and accepted this as proof positive I was not dreaming!!! A
|| great error!
||
|| Let's face it, it takes a leap of faith for me even to believe in
you...
| I
|| am pinching myself now, as we chat...
||
|| Kinky! 8^)
||
|| - Mike KB3EIA -
|
|

John Smith wrote:
Like I say, when I see one, I'll believe it... I am not going to take that
by "leap of faith!"

Plus, turn on the major biologists to this fact--they have been
contemplating ways to bring back the Dodo Bird for decades! This sounds
like it just might be an aid to them!

It won't bring back anything. It only creates new.


- Mike KB3EIA -

The mud puddle it came from must be famous!!!

Warmest regards,
John
--
Marbles can be used in models with excellent results! However, if forced
to keep using all of mine up... I may end up at a disadvantage... I seem
to have misplaced some already!!!


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
| Like I say, when I see one, I'll believe it... I am not going to take
that
| by "leap of faith!"
|
| Plus, turn on the major biologists to this fact--they have been
| contemplating ways to bring back the Dodo Bird for decades! This sounds
| like it just might be an aid to them!
|
| It won't bring back anything. It only creates new.
|
|
| - Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:
What if the universe is simply a complex process that
man doesn't yet understand and there is/was no purpose
at all?

What if? You mean it's *not*???

Just breaking it to him gently.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Mike Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
What if the universe is simply a complex process that
man doesn't yet understand and there is/was no purpose
at all?

What if? You mean it's *not*???

Just breaking it to him gently with a rhetorical question.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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