I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and
the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft
too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that
the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an
opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that
antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the
antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it
is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at
the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the
front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice
a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been
holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am
traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this
spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be
reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

.... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the
antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the
speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

.... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really...
grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and
the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the
spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that
the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in
an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes
that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front
of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and,
it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point
it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem,
the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and
notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had
been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I
am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside
this spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and
be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the
antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the
speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like pointing out
all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a "reflected"
current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and the
antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft
too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that the
coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an
opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that
antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the
antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it
is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at
the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the front
of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice a
bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been holding
the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am traveling
at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft
now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be reflected or
absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key the
xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Dave said:
"... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible
conditions."

I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an "error"
of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that...

This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at
greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before you
could get it moved!!!

.... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that
statement--I slip behind quickly)...

The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for
decades...

John
"Dave" wrote in message
...
you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like
pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with
impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun
really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the
spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the
rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed
of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact
that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal
travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal
now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to
leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or,
does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and,
it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight,
point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big
problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the
flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air
right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake
the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting
pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward light is
able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I
key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is
monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be
leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of
space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the
width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am
traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on
the surface of the conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

.... the next breakthrough I expect from progressive antenna
manufacturers is a "teleportation antenna", where the signal is received
on the other side of the universe at the same instant it is transmitter
here... sure hope someone is listening out there--and has the antennas'
counterpart...

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave said:
"... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible
conditions."

I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an
"error" of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that...

This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at
greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before
you could get it moved!!!

... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that
statement--I slip behind quickly)...

The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for
decades...

John
"Dave" wrote in message
...
you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like
pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with
impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun
really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the
spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the
rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed
of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact
that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal
travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal
now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to
leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or,
does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft
and, it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty
flashlight, point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it
on... but, big problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark...
I move the flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging
in the air right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable
to overtake the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is
getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward
light is able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those
photons cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of
light, fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I
key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is
monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be
leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of
space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the
width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am
traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on
the surface of the conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

John Smith wrote:
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really...
grin

Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
--
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Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

And here I was, wondering what the problem could possibly be.

W4ZCB

In John's case, 30 MPH seems to do the trick...

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
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John Smith wrote:

I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light ...

The Doppler effect doesn't change the speed of light, only
the frequency. All EM waves appear to all observers to
travel at the speed of light.

(allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave ...

It doesn't appear that way to you. For you, time has stopped
but you don't know it. You also possess infinite mass and occupy
zero volume but you don't know it.

(since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

It would make more sense to assume that you are traveling at
1/2 the speed of light and see what happens. Future humans
may be able to do just that. Assume you have a twin brother
back on earth QSOing with you. He's transmitting in a ham
band. What frequency do you hear him on?
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