The Hexbeam 5Bi has gain and is resonant on 20,17,15,12,10. It has a turning
radius of less than 10 feet and weighs less than 20 lbs. The one you are
thinking about does, indeed, require the user to change the wire elements
for band changing, not the 5Bi, however.

The Titenex Log Periodic you refer to has a turning radius of 18 feet
(weight is just about the same for both antennas).

The original poster was looking for a small beam, hence my suggestion of the
Hexbeam (again, the permanent one, not the transportable one you cover on
your excellent website). My QTH, for example, does not have room for a 18
foot/ 6 meter turning radius.

Paul AB0SI

"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
news:9aYtb.217049$HS4.1900993@attbi_s01...
If small with gain on 20-10 including the WARC bands is the goal, I'd
suggest looking at the Hexbeam. Quite pricy compared to the TGM you
mentioned, though. I'm quite happy with my 5-band Hex, for what it's
worth,
and it's turning radius is 10 feet (even smaller in metric)

Hi,

Hexbeam is light, great for portable or small space but it has to be
modify
manually to work on other bands...
Not the best way.

You can get a Titanex beam, better, lighter, cheaper...
See http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-portable3.htm

Thierry
ON4SKY
QSL mgr for LX3SKY



Paul AB0SI

Floyd:

This was my fault, not Thierry's. I should have specified the model number.
He was thinking about the transportable Hex which does require futzing
whenever you change bands.

Paul AB0SI


"Floyd Sense" wrote in message
ink.net...
Sorry, but you are misinformed. The HX-5B hexbeam meets all the
requirements that were stated. There are no "modifications" required to
operate on the 5 bands. You obviously do not own one - I do.

K8AC


"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
...

" wrote in message
news:9aYtb.217049$HS4.1900993@attbi_s01...
If small with gain on 20-10 including the WARC bands is the goal, I'd
suggest looking at the Hexbeam. Quite pricy compared to the TGM you
mentioned, though. I'm quite happy with my 5-band Hex, for what it's
worth,
and it's turning radius is 10 feet (even smaller in metric)

Hi,

Hexbeam is light, great for portable or small space but it has to be
modify
manually to work on other bands...
Not the best way.

You can get a Titanex beam, better, lighter, cheaper...
See http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-portable3.htm

Thierry
ON4SKY
QSL mgr for LX3SKY



Paul AB0SI


"Je Forget" wrote in message
.. .
Okay here's the deal,

I would absolutely love to put up a Log P, but lamentably my tower
is
only
42' to the thrust bearing, and if I put up even the smallest
Tennadyne
T-6,
the 38' (2x19') rear element would severely overhang not only the
neighbors
yard, but their house as well. (they are 24" from the lot line.)

My other concern is ice. That is to say, when it ices up (as it will
inevitably do several times each winter) the longer elements could
droop
to
the point where they could strike his roof, mine, a nearby tree.
(heck,
the
balance between peace among neighbors and a decent antenna system
sure
is
frustrating...

So, I have to keep it small, but I would like it to cover more than
th
e
usual 20-15-10 devices, and still have some level of performance.
(gee,
while I'm at it, let's have it defy gravity, be completely
invisible,
and
guarantee a 59 copy to even the remotest corners of the globe...
but
seriously folks, I need some real life testimonials here!)

I have a brand new TH3JR (purchased 5 years ago) still in the
unopened
box,
but I'm thinking 'more bands' would be nice.

I found a local place that has some interesting antennas, but I find
few
references to them and their performance on the web. (that's not to
suggest
they are not good devices, heck, they could be a well kept secret
little
gem.) Here's a link to the one I'm looking at:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/tgmc/mq-2.html

It's quite compact, and a very different configuration from anything
I've
seen elsewhere.

So, what's out there that's small and yet delivers decent
performance
with
20-17-15-12-10 in mind?

Any helpful firsthand experience passed along would be very much
appreciated!

Pat, VE3PMK

(I'm slowly getting spam under control, so please post replies here.
Thanks!)

Please consider a BBQ by Degen Designs.

www.degendesigns.com

73

Guenther VE3CVS


"Je Forget" wrote in message
.. .
Okay here's the deal,

I would absolutely love to put up a Log P, but lamentably my tower is only
42' to the thrust bearing, and if I put up even the smallest Tennadyne
T-6,
the 38' (2x19') rear element would severely overhang not only the
neighbors
yard, but their house as well. (they are 24" from the lot line.)

My other concern is ice. That is to say, when it ices up (as it will
inevitably do several times each winter) the longer elements could droop
to
the point where they could strike his roof, mine, a nearby tree. (heck,
the
balance between peace among neighbors and a decent antenna system sure is
frustrating...

So, I have to keep it small, but I would like it to cover more than the
usual 20-15-10 devices, and still have some level of performance. (gee,
while I'm at it, let's have it defy gravity, be completely invisible, and
guarantee a 59 copy to even the remotest corners of the globe... but
seriously folks, I need some real life testimonials here!)

I have a brand new TH3JR (purchased 5 years ago) still in the unopened
box,
but I'm thinking 'more bands' would be nice.

I found a local place that has some interesting antennas, but I find few
references to them and their performance on the web. (that's not to
suggest
they are not good devices, heck, they could be a well kept secret little
gem.) Here's a link to the one I'm looking at:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/tgmc/mq-2.html

It's quite compact, and a very different configuration from anything I've
seen elsewhere.

So, what's out there that's small and yet delivers decent performance with
20-17-15-12-10 in mind?

Any helpful firsthand experience passed along would be very much
appreciated!

Pat, VE3PMK

(I'm slowly getting spam under control, so please post replies here.
Thanks!)

With winter fast approaching, and very few mild days remaining, I'm putting
up the MQ-26 from TGM Communications. It certainly fits the area constraints
and I've received several emails from owners offering nothing but praise and
accolades for it, plus they are manufactured in a town an hour from here, so
I can get it 'now.' If it's a dud, I'll change it out in the spring.

I'll post some performance reports here later after I've had a few months of
playing with it.

Thanks again to all for the helpful advice.

Happy DX,
Pat, VE3PMK
London, Ontario, Canada

"Je Forget" wrote in message
.. .
With winter fast approaching, and very few mild days remaining, I'm
putting
up the MQ-26 from TGM Communications. It certainly fits the area
constraints
and I've received several emails from owners offering nothing but praise
and
accolades for it, plus they are manufactured in a town an hour from here,
so
I can get it 'now.' If it's a dud, I'll change it out in the spring.

I'll post some performance reports here later after I've had a few months
of
playing with it.

Thanks again to all for the helpful advice.

Happy DX,
Pat, VE3PMK
London, Ontario, Canada


Pat:

I hope it works for you. I'd be VERY interested in hearing how it survives
the first ice storm.

Hope to catch you on the air.

Paul AB0SI

With the space limitations you describe, your best bet might be a 2-el
5-band quad...Take a look at GemQuad (fine Canadian product), and ask them
about ice loading. They're pretty tolerant.

- Mike KI6PR
El Rancho R.F., CA

"Pat's Sympatico" wrote
But seriously, I know it's limited, and I knew that when I put the tower
up
a month ago. It was the only place in the yard available. (big pool, two
decks, hot-tub, pool-shed, and oodles of beautiful trees... again,
everything is a trade off with suburban living.)

I have read Log-Ps are not the be-all end-all antenna, but are good
solutions when you want 'one' multipurpose antenna with some steerable
directivity and an assortment of bands. And yes, any specialised
monobander
will outperform most multipurpose devices. (what was that we were saying
about trade-offs??? Darn near everywhere aren't they?)

So, with all that said, I'm looking for the best compromise. The house
next
door is 12 feet from the centre of the tower, so if I can keep the turning
radius around 15', at the 42' height, it won't look to bad at all, AND I
can
park the beam pointed either directly toward, or directly away from the
building. That way, with a total boom length under 18 feet, it will be
entirely in 'my' airspace when not in use.

So the search continues for a something with a 18' or shorter boom, with a
longest element no greater than 30', and won't droop too much with
moderate
ice loading. I know the 'droop' of an element is a non-linear function
based
on its length and the total ice load, but from a practical standpoint, on
the longest element, how far down will it bow? I'm guessing if I paint the
topside of the elements flat-black it will help with shedding the ice when
the sun hits them.

Thanks again for sharing the wisdom of the group...

Pat, VE3PMK
(please respond here as I am slowly getting the spambots under control.
Thanks.)