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Hi Gang,
I'm building my first 6 meter vertical antenna for repeater use. I already have a 6 meter beam for SSB DX use. (Cushcraft 5 element) I'm using the plans from G3JVL for a 5/8 wave aluminum antenna. I have the tubing from Texas Towers (extruded aluminum) designed to fit in to each other, so this should make a perfect antenna when I get it cut to size. For those not familiar with the G3JVL antenna, here is a link: http://www.hamuniverse.com/6metervertical.html The advice I need is how should I protect the antenna prior to putting it on the roof? Is there a spray I should use to resist rust, or something I should use when I connect the sections to help maintain a good connection and prevent oxidation? I suppose this might have the added benefit of making the antenna easier to disassemble. I was planning on using stainless hardware to assemble the sections. I was initially thinking of using a stainless hose clamp, but I was advised to drill a hole through the sections and use a bolt and nut as that is more reliable. This is my fist shot at a homebrew, so any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Mike N2QAC |
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pinpassion wrote:
Hi Gang, I'm building my first 6 meter vertical antenna for repeater use. I already have a 6 meter beam for SSB DX use. (Cushcraft 5 element) I'm using the plans from G3JVL for a 5/8 wave aluminum antenna. I have the tubing from Texas Towers (extruded aluminum) designed to fit in to each other, so this should make a perfect antenna when I get it cut to size. For those not familiar with the G3JVL antenna, here is a link: http://www.hamuniverse.com/6metervertical.html The advice I need is how should I protect the antenna prior to putting it on the roof? Is there a spray I should use to resist rust, or something I should use when I connect the sections to help maintain a good connection and prevent oxidation? I suppose this might have the added benefit of making the antenna easier to disassemble. I was planning on using stainless hardware to assemble the sections. I was initially thinking of using a stainless hose clamp, but I was advised to drill a hole through the sections and use a bolt and nut as that is more reliable. This is my fist shot at a homebrew, so any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Mike N2QAC Mike; The first advice to protect your new antenna prior to mounting it is to insure that nothing is allowed to fall on or against it while it is in your shop. This is very detrimental to the final look of the antenna. ;^). Seriously though being made of aluminum it will not rust. It will lightly oxidize but this is a natural action as aluminum is very reactive with oxygen. If you are in a salty environment you might lightly spay paint the aluminum with either a color paint or a clear finish otherwise you really do not have to worry about the metal. Just be sure that your paint does not have any metal in it. One thing you might want to consider is coating the joints between two pieces of metal with a conductive grease. You should be able to find that at a Radio Shack or other electrical supply house. Using a nut and bolt to hold sections of tubing together is a very good idea, just be careful when tightening the nut not to crush the tubing. Good luck; Dave WD9BDZ |
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![]() "pinpassion" wrote in message oups.com... Hi Gang, I'm building my first 6 meter vertical antenna for repeater use. I already have a 6 meter beam for SSB DX use. (Cushcraft 5 element) I'm using the plans from G3JVL for a 5/8 wave aluminum antenna. I have the tubing from Texas Towers (extruded aluminum) designed to fit in to each other, so this should make a perfect antenna when I get it cut to size. For those not familiar with the G3JVL antenna, here is a link: http://www.hamuniverse.com/6metervertical.html The advice I need is how should I protect the antenna prior to putting it on the roof? Is there a spray I should use to resist rust, or something I should use when I connect the sections to help maintain a good connection and prevent oxidation? I suppose this might have the added benefit of making the antenna easier to disassemble. I was planning on using stainless hardware to assemble the sections. I was initially thinking of using a stainless hose clamp, but I was advised to drill a hole through the sections and use a bolt and nut as that is more reliable. This is my fist shot at a homebrew, so any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Mike N2QAC Look at the way the Beam is heald together and use that method. The split ends and the SS hose clamps. Use AL or SS for everything you can. If you want to you can shine up the elements where they mate and use some pentrox on them you can get from an electrical supply place. Maybe evens Lowes. |
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Mike:
One thing that no one will tell you is why manufacturers use plated hardware which rusts instead of stainless. Cost? No. Stainless will not stay tight, while plated hardware will rust up and then never loosen. So, if you use stainless, it is highly desirable to use Nylon insert locknuts or else carefully double nut everything, and add Loctite before assembly. It is no fun finding another piece of the antenna at the bottom of the tower every day after the wind blows a while. -- Crazy George |
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:02:12 -0500, wrote:
Mike: One thing that no one will tell you is why manufacturers use plated hardware which rusts instead of stainless. Cost? No. Stainless will not stay tight, while plated hardware will rust up and then never loosen. So, if you use stainless, it is highly desirable to use Nylon insert locknuts or else carefully double nut everything, and add Loctite before assembly. It is no fun finding another piece of the antenna at the bottom of the tower every day after the wind blows a while. George, I wonder if you tried lubricating the ss parts before assembly. Stainess threaded parts are well known for galling, and can bind before properly tensioning the fastener. It is a widely debated topic, but common advice is to lubricate the parts. Google for debate on what to use (wax, WD40, grease, moly etc) My experience is that stainless threads should be lubricated whenever used with nyloc nuts to reduce heat damage and galling of the nyloc insert. Marine grease seems to work fine, and it doesn't seem to unduly upset the prevailing torgue characteristics. Mike, ss hoseclamps on telescoping tubes with split ends seems to work fine. Put a bit of marine grease on the worm in the hoseclamp. I think you are less likely to crush the tube than through-bolting it. Remember that the joint is going to flex to some extent. A little bit of corrosion inhibitor in the slip joint will help maintain a good connnection through life... depends on the environment as to the necessity to to this. FWIW. Owen -- |
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Dave, Ralph, George, and Owen
Thank you for your help and suggestions. Mike |
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pinpassion wrote:
Dave, Ralph, George, and Owen Thank you for your help and suggestions. Mike Thank You Mike. That's what we are here for. Dave WD9BDZ |
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Owen:
We've had this discussion before, and I must be using better quality stainless hardware than you have used. In the dozens of pounds of stainless from 0-80 up to 5/8" I have installed in the last 40 years, I could not specify when the last one galled if I had to. And I take lots of them apart, in addition to those which I expect to last forever. OTOH, somewhere around 40 years ago when I first started using stainless, I found plenty of it on the ground under a month old installation until I wised up about the fact that lock washers, even split ring style, were not enough to hold under constant vibration. And especially so on tubing where the tubing collapses before the lockwasher will bite into the nut. -- Crazy George "Owen Duffy" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:02:12 -0500, wrote: Mike: One thing that no one will tell you is why manufacturers use plated hardware which rusts instead of stainless. Cost? No. Stainless will not stay tight, while plated hardware will rust up and then never loosen. So, if you use stainless, it is highly desirable to use Nylon insert locknuts or else carefully double nut everything, and add Loctite before assembly. It is no fun finding another piece of the antenna at the bottom of the tower every day after the wind blows a while. George, I wonder if you tried lubricating the ss parts before assembly. Stainess threaded parts are well known for galling, and can bind before properly tensioning the fastener. It is a widely debated topic, but common advice is to lubricate the parts. Google for debate on what to use (wax, WD40, grease, moly etc) My experience is that stainless threads should be lubricated whenever used with nyloc nuts to reduce heat damage and galling of the nyloc insert. Marine grease seems to work fine, and it doesn't seem to unduly upset the prevailing torgue characteristics. Mike, ss hoseclamps on telescoping tubes with split ends seems to work fine. Put a bit of marine grease on the worm in the hoseclamp. I think you are less likely to crush the tube than through-bolting it. Remember that the joint is going to flex to some extent. A little bit of corrosion inhibitor in the slip joint will help maintain a good connnection through life... depends on the environment as to the necessity to to this. FWIW. Owen -- |
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