On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:13:17 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
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"Jonathan Kirwan" wrote in message
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I once packed a box containing a monitor and keyboard to be shipped
ahead of me (I was flying) via UPS to a destination cross-country. I
had packed it using shaped foam that was at least 8 inches thick on
all sides and bottom and there was almost no possibility of inner
movement of either the monitor or keyboard. When I picked up the box
there was a nice hole with some 5" diameter dead-center on one of the
faces. On opening the box I found the keyboard had been demolished
but the monitor survived.

On closer look, it had the rough appearance of a sharp, conical
penetration. It was definitely NOT blunt damage. I then began to
imagine the idea that UPS keeps a steel cone mounted on their cement
factory floors, just for the occasional frustrated WHACK their
employees sometimes need to do to a box.

I really couldn't have anticipated this kind of penetration. It was
sharp, narrow, deep, and had enough of an impact to press through a
lot of foam and to then still break through the keyboard.

Fork lift tines?

Yes, that had crossed my mind. However, it was a conical penetration
that had a roughly circular external presentation. I suppose it is
possible that's what their tines looked like. But it didn't match
tines I've seen before.

Jon

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"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
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"Spamfree" wrote in
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Again, it isn't rocket science, but many have yet to master it.

Actually, packaging IS complex. To optimise it fully takes as much command
of physics and calculation of likely operating conditions as electronics!
(Commercial hauliers put a lot of R+D into packing, as do makers of
expensive equipment).

What makes it easier is two things: the cheapness of overengineering for
safety, and our more easy tangible grasp of the facts. A limited number of
stock items also makes choices easy.

If you know what you're buying, you can always specify packaging to the
seller. I bought a second-hand hard drive and knowing the tendency for
some
people to use layers of newspaper for fragile stuff, and knowing how dense
and incompressible that stuff is unless you take lots of time to form
crumple zones, I asked the seller instead to just get a larger box, I
don't
care how rough it is, and to put all the ****ty scrag ends of bublewrap
he'd not want to indignify anyone elses parcel with around that drive. He
didn't have to think, he was happy to shove all the crap that would fit
round it, and it arrived in perfect order.

Another time I wanted three HeNe laser tubes. I made the box and lined it
myself and put rolls of paper where the tubes should go, sent it to the
seller, said replace paper with glass, send it back. Again, it worked
perfectly, and it's always worth specifying somehow, if you know the
product better than the seller does. This is almost always the case when
buying electronics or optics parts from eBay surplus suppliers.

That won't work for full-on commercial sellers but they've (hopefully) got
decent arrangements made. It's works great for private sellers though, who
usually have the remains of packaging from private buying.


While you "could" be right about the calculations, R&D - etc of "bigger"
places, I think the gist of this is for "small" businesses (mom and pop) AND
individual sellers - the e-bay and newsgroups buying crowds. THEY don't use
high tech or high priced packaging. If you "pack" it securely - as you would
want to "receive" it - chances are you'll do a good job. Simply "throwing"
something into a box - adding some newspaper or peanuts and not "securing"
the item or cushioinng it - is half assed. Yes, it does take "some" effort
to pack - but again - it isn't "impossible" to get the hang of!

Fed Ex doesn't pick up (packages) near me - the closest place I know of, is
their terminal - 40 miles away. So, I use UPS and USPS. I've had a decent
record so far sending and receiving.



My favorite shipping fiasco came from drugstore.com. My wife ordered
some stuff, including a couple of Christmas presents from them last
year. Among the items she purchaed was a bottle of liquid chlorphyll,
which she likes to drink for here digestion.

They shipped it in their usual big box, with NO padding! Of course, the
glass bottle of chlorphyll was smashed, which stained everything in the
box, plus probably everything it came in contact with in the mail, a
bright green! The post office was not happy with that one!

Charlie

"Spamfree" wrote in message
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What kills me, is when "I" get an item which is shipped in a box 6 or more
times the size of the item....... Talk about overkill!

Do 'ya buy much from Digikey?

Tim

--
Deep Fryer: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

"Tim Williams" wrote in message
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"Spamfree" wrote in message
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What kills me, is when "I" get an item which is shipped in a box 6 or
more times the size of the item....... Talk about overkill!

Do 'ya buy much from Digikey?

Tim

--
Deep Fryer: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms


Hmmmm........ Good ?.. Actually, of all I've ordered from, I can't actually
recall if they were among them - for sure. There's been Mouser, MCM, Some
"manufacturers", and some 2 way radio distribution centers.