"Dave" wrote in message
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Gee! I used to live in a community that provided water from wells. The
water haD very high iron content. Too bad I didn't think about the MAGIC
MAGNET!!

JOHN D wrote:
May I suggest a magnetic water softener. Same idea, magnets stuck on the
pipes.

Or perhaps a bed blanket with magnets sewn in.
The amazing thing here is that orientation and flux don't seem to matter.
It's simply magnets.

Dale W4OP

happy-go-lucky wrote:

So the joke is on you, L Ron. These things really do work.

Yeah right. These things have been around for years and have never
proven to increase milage.
This is as bad as the stuff they sell to the audiophools.

aalaan wrote:
If your experience is true,

It isn't. He is like the audiophools who spend hundreds of dollars for
a special line cord to hook up to their Hi-Fi to make it sound better.
Someone who is foolish to fall for such snake oil isn't about to
actually admit they got taken, so of course it works.

JOHN D wrote:
There are people who believe they've been aboard alien spaceships too.

Wonder why it only works on 4 cyl engines? Seems if it works on 4 it
should work on 6 and 8 as well.

Absolutely. Was that being claimed?

"cmdr buzz corey" wrote in message
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JOHN D wrote:
There are people who believe they've been aboard alien spaceships too.

Wonder why it only works on 4 cyl engines? Seems if it works on 4 it
should work on 6 and 8 as well.

When it comes to gas-saving gizmos, it's like religion--you're either a
believer or you're not. And like religion, belief is based on faith,
not evidence. Magnetic fuel-line devices for boosting gas milage have
been around for decades, as have other gizmos claimed to improve MPG
(e.g., using fuel-line heating, fuel-line cooling, ionization, etc.).
The EPA has tested more than 100 gas-saving devices--under controlled
conditions--and hasn't found a single one, including four magnet types
like the one under discussion, that measures up to its claims.

For more info, take a look at a fact sheet recently published by the
Federal Trade Commission on gas-saving devices at
www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/gasave.htm. Consumer Reports has
also looked at gas-saving add-ons and found them wanting.

Believe if you want, but these things are pure snake oil. And they
don't all fall into the "well, at least it's not hurting anything and
it might help" category. Some, like additives that get dumped into the
fuel or oil, can damage the car.

Extraordinary claims, as Carl Sagan said, require extraordinary
evidence. It's ain't there.

Oh yeah, I have seen a lot of that stuff too.
The fact that 'happy-go-lucky' actually believes that he is getting better
fuel ecomony because a magnet is strapped to his fuel line is utterly
amaxing.
And that he comes out swinging to defend his completey undefendable beliefs
is just more testament to how utterly pathetic a human being becomes because
of lack of any science knowledge.
But he offers no rebuttle or debate to defend his claim. Just little
insulting jabs.
Literally a country bumpkin that used to be had at county fairs or now by TV
evangelists and cults like scientogy.
The macaroon that believes something because it is printed.
But I wish I had a whole bunch of 'happy-go-luckies.'
They make great worker slaves.
If you tell them they are doing a good job for the good of the company they
will work until they drop dead - and for mimum wage!! HA HA HA.
They just can't see that they are like the tools they use. Or maybe just as
dumb as the 'box of hammers' we hear so much about...
But wow do they have 'faith' placed in the weirdest things. And I do not
mean religion.




"cmdr buzz corey" wrote in message
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happy-go-lucky wrote:

So the joke is on you, L Ron. These things really do work.

Yeah right. These things have been around for years and have never
proven to increase milage.
This is as bad as the stuff they sell to the audiophools.

L Ron Hubbub wrote:
Oh yeah, I have seen a lot of that stuff too.
The fact that 'happy-go-lucky' actually believes that he is getting better
fuel ecomony because a magnet is strapped to his fuel line is utterly
amaxing.
And that he comes out swinging to defend his completey undefendable beliefs
is just more testament to how utterly pathetic a human being becomes because
of lack of any science knowledge.
But he offers no rebuttle or debate to defend his claim. Just little
insulting jabs.
Literally a country bumpkin that used to be had at county fairs or now by TV
evangelists and cults like scientogy.
The macaroon that believes something because it is printed.
But I wish I had a whole bunch of 'happy-go-luckies.'
They make great worker slaves.
If you tell them they are doing a good job for the good of the company they
will work until they drop dead - and for mimum wage!! HA HA HA.
They just can't see that they are like the tools they use. Or maybe just as
dumb as the 'box of hammers' we hear so much about...
But wow do they have 'faith' placed in the weirdest things. And I do not
mean religion.

Why do you demean him? Some very smart people believe very strange
things. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, he of the Sherlock Holmes tales and
obviously a writer who understood logic and reason, believed in fairies
with little wings, like Tinker Bell. It was because of a hoax by two
children who planted fake photos of winged nymphs outdoors where he
could see them, but not close enough to inspect.

World-famous scientists have been taken in by "mindreading," mental
spoonbending, and other stage fakery that is part of any good
magician's trick bag.

Totally rational, intelligent people subscribe to aura therapy, which
involves passing the hands around the "patient's" body without touching
it, even though an experiment by a 9-year-old girl completely disproved
its validity a couple of years ago.

How about we stick to the pros and cons and not make personal attacks?
We're way OT as it is.

"Avery W3AVE" wrote in message
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L Ron Hubbub wrote:

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Why do you demean him? Some very smart people believe very strange
things. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, he of the Sherlock Holmes tales and
obviously a writer who understood logic and reason, believed in fairies
with little wings, like Tinker Bell. It was because of a hoax by two
children who planted fake photos of winged nymphs outdoors where he
could see them, but not close enough to inspect.

World-famous scientists have been taken in by "mindreading," mental
spoonbending, and other stage fakery that is part of any good
magician's trick bag.

Totally rational, intelligent people subscribe to aura therapy, which
involves passing the hands around the "patient's" body without touching
it, even though an experiment by a 9-year-old girl completely disproved
its validity a couple of years ago.

How about we stick to the pros and cons and not make personal attacks?
We're way OT as it is.


Another item I've not seen mentioned - maybe I missed it - are those "Copper
Bands" or "Magnetic Bands" that people wear to improve Arthritis and such. I
think the majority of us know the real truth; however - you're going to be
hard pressed to convince those who believe in said items - of them "not"
working.

So - though "we" may not buy into it - as long as they're willing to spend
their money and if they have what would be deemed "faith" - not tied to any
religion - that the item works - God Bless them! At least to them - they're
getting results for the money they spent. And, that is all that truly
matters!

Many people believe in Psychics too - that they can tell the future. IF they
were so "psychic" - we would have a lot more lottery winners. They would
continue to give the lucky numbers and they themselves would be playing it
as well. Oh but wait - they claim they aren't allowed to do such things!
BULL CRAP. That is an easy out for their explanation of NOT being able to
predict anything. Point is, many still go to these people. There will ALWAYS
be snake oil sales pitches - both real items (copper bands, gas tank
magnets, etc) and the imagined (psychic tales) - and their will always be
those who believe in such things to support the trades as they apply. It has
been that way for centuries, why change now?

Therefore - there is no need or reason to defame or demean any one for their
own beliefs. As the man said - there are many "prominent" people who follow
those paths. If they're happy, who are we to interfere?

Just my 2 cents.

Lou

Avery W3AVE wrote:
[snip]
Some very smart people believe very strange
things. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, he of the Sherlock Holmes tales and
obviously a writer who understood logic and reason, believed in
fairies with little wings, like Tinker Bell. It was because
of a hoax by two children who planted fake photos of winged
nymphs outdoors where he could see them, but not close enough
to inspect.

World-famous scientists have been taken in by "mindreading," mental
spoonbending, and other stage fakery that is part of any good
magician's trick bag.

Totally rational, intelligent people subscribe to aura therapy, which
involves passing the hands around the "patient's" body without
touching it, even though an experiment by a 9-year-old girl
completely disproved its validity a couple of years ago.

How about we stick to the pros and cons and not make personal attacks?
We're way OT as it is.

One of the co-inventors of the transistor was famous for another reason:
he espoused his opinions about Africans being inferior because he said
their brains were small. World-famous scientists, or authors, or anybody
else with training in a specialized discipline, should be questioned
just like the greenest college student when they speak outside their
area of expertise.

There are, sad to say, cases where ad hominem attacks are warranted, and
this is one of them. The original post is off-topic, but that's a minor
offense on Usenet. However, the claims _ARE_ laughable, and anyone who
champions such nonsense deserves to be offered a discount on a bridge:
if nothing else, it's a chastening reminder that, in the future, those
who were disposed to believe them should drop a gold brick on the ground
before negotiating a purchase.

Paraphrasing Richard Pryor: "Your dignity will heal a lot faster than
your bank account balance".

William
P.S. I would set the followups, but I can't think of a group where this
discussion belongs.

--
A little learning is a dang'rous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring;
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
-- Alexander Pope, Essay on Criticism