Ebay doesn't care.

They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and
is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities.

Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making
these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham
license.

The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry.

Cheers!

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:30 -0400, "Tio Pedro"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
LOOK AT Ebay item 130262773998...Heres a good example of what ham
radio has turned into.First,it is not legal to sell an amplifier that
is capable of CB use..Second, Who would bid over $700 (and rising)
for piece of junk ,a pig- in -the poke, It might work and it might
not..They are using AMATEUR RADIO as a platform to sell this
crap..Shame,Shame...Shame on us for allowing it to happen.. W4PQW

Didn't the FCC rescind the ban on 10 meter amplifiers?

pete


What's the big deal anyway, any clod who can use a soldering iron without doing him/herself a serious injury can BUILD an 11/10 Meter amp, all ya need is a schematic and some $$ for parts

geek wrote:
Ebay doesn't care.

They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and
is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities.

This is sadly true. Ebay does take illegal linears more seriously than
most things, but it's true that if a person is a big seller that makes
a lot of money for Ebay they seem willing to look the other way on just
about anything.

Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making
these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham
license.

Oh, I am sure they would exceed FCC specs... by about 996 watts.

The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry.

That doesn't mean illegal activity should be condoned, sorry.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Oct 23, 9:34*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
geek wrote:
Ebay doesn't care.

They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and
is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities..

This is sadly true. *Ebay does take illegal linears more seriously than
most things, but it's true that if a person is a big seller that makes
a lot of money for Ebay they seem willing to look the other way on just
about anything.

Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making
these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham
license.

Oh, I am sure they would exceed FCC specs... by about 996 watts.

The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry.

That doesn't mean illegal activity should be condoned, sorry.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Well, It seems that most of the Hams are of the same mindset as the
average american public,"Whats in it for me",,Who cares..So ,it`s
illegal ,so what, ...Let me try to explain my position,, I worked hard
to get my license,60 tears ago, I have been able to use it to
contribute a small bit to society,to disaster communications, ,civil
defense,public service like phone patchs for American service men in
far away places etc,etc...The federal government does not OWE me a
license OR frequencies to operate on..At this point in time, with all
the sattelite and worldwide communications systems that we have in use
today, WHAT DOES HAM RADIO HAVE TO OFFER THAT THE WORLD NEEDS??
NOTHING,NOTHING...How long will we be able to abuse the system and go
un-noticed? If these bootleggers are allowed to mix their Illegal
junk in with bonafied ham radio , where is it all headed? look
around,You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on
citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON
TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you
get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the
subject ...W4PQW

On 10/23/08 8:46 AM, in article
,
" wrote:

On Oct 23, 9:34*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
geek wrote:
Ebay doesn't care.

They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and
is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities.

This is sadly true. *Ebay does take illegal linears more seriously than
most things, but it's true that if a person is a big seller that makes
a lot of money for Ebay they seem willing to look the other way on just
about anything.

Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making
these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham
license.

Oh, I am sure they would exceed FCC specs... by about 996 watts.

The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry.

That doesn't mean illegal activity should be condoned, sorry.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Well, It seems that most of the Hams are of the same mindset as the
average american public,"Whats in it for me",,Who cares..So ,it`s
illegal ,so what, ...Let me try to explain my position,, I worked hard
to get my license,60 tears ago, I have been able to use it to
contribute a small bit to society,to disaster communications, ,civil
defense,public service like phone patchs for American service men in
far away places etc,etc...The federal government does not OWE me a
license OR frequencies to operate on..At this point in time, with all
the sattelite and worldwide communications systems that we have in use
today, WHAT DOES HAM RADIO HAVE TO OFFER THAT THE WORLD NEEDS??
NOTHING,NOTHING...How long will we be able to abuse the system and go
un-noticed? If these bootleggers are allowed to mix their Illegal
junk in with bonafied ham radio , where is it all headed? look
around,You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on
citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON
TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you
get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the
subject ...W4PQW

There is a LARGE difference between (A) caring that CB is being used as a
illegal profit center and (B) feeling that I should share some guilt for it.

I got my first ham ticket in 53, but I haven't received any entitlement from
that. Do I get points for the length of time?

I feel more responsibility for seeing the illegal CB power Amp seller get
caught because I have a Commercial radio license (55), but I still feel no
guilt for the situation.

It's unfortunate for you that you do not see what ham radio has to offer.

I suspect you spend a lot of time on 2M.

Don Bowey wrote:

There is a LARGE difference between (A) caring that CB is being used as a
illegal profit center and (B) feeling that I should share some guilt for it.

I don't feel any guilt, but I feel a whole lot of shame. I live in a
country where truck stops can hang out a big sign saying "Stop In When
You're Ready For a Big Radio" and CB shops can set up a continuous tape
loop advertising illegal linears on channel 19. This is shameful.

Yes, it's true that you and I can do nothing about it, and the FCC is
unwilling to do anything about it. And THAT is what is shameful.

And the folks that we keep electing into public office don't care. And
that is even more shameful.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 10/23/08 10:07 AM, in article , "Scott
Dorsey" wrote:

Don Bowey wrote:

There is a LARGE difference between (A) caring that CB is being used as a
illegal profit center and (B) feeling that I should share some guilt for it.

I don't feel any guilt, but I feel a whole lot of shame. I live in a
country where truck stops can hang out a big sign saying "Stop In When
You're Ready For a Big Radio" and CB shops can set up a continuous tape
loop advertising illegal linears on channel 19. This is shameful.

Yes, it's true that you and I can do nothing about it, and the FCC is
unwilling to do anything about it. And THAT is what is shameful.

And the folks that we keep electing into public office don't care. And
that is even more shameful.
--scott

I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws need
to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important,
making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem.

Don Bowey wrote:

I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws need
to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important,
making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem.

Oh, no, it's not a ham problem at all. It's MUCH worse than just that.
--scott

And the discount stores selling touch lamps that flagrantly violate
Part 15 emission regulations are EVEN WORSE.
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws
need
to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important,
making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem.

Oh, no, it's not a ham problem at all. It's MUCH worse than just that.
--scott

And the discount stores selling touch lamps that flagrantly violate
Part 15 emission regulations are EVEN WORSE.
--
Then there are laws that are stupid, but no one can vote them down because
they sound too good to be true. These are the laws that everyone breaks but
rats each other out on until it cripples production to the extent that we
are forced to import!

wrote:

Well, It seems that most of the Hams are of the same mindset as the
average american public,"Whats in it for me",,Who cares..So ,it`s
illegal ,so what, ...Let me try to explain my position,, I worked hard
to get my license,60 tears ago, I have been able to use it to
contribute a small bit to society,to disaster communications, ,civil
defense,public service like phone patchs for American service men in
far away places etc,etc...The federal government does not OWE me a
license OR frequencies to operate on..At this point in time, with all
the sattelite and worldwide communications systems that we have in use
today, WHAT DOES HAM RADIO HAVE TO OFFER THAT THE WORLD NEEDS??
NOTHING,NOTHING...How long will we be able to abuse the system and go
un-noticed? If these bootleggers are allowed to mix their Illegal
junk in with bonafied ham radio , where is it all headed? look
around,You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on
citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON
TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you
get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the
subject ...W4PQW


Rspectfully, what are you doing about it?


If it is an illegal amplifier, you can email Ebay and the F.C.C. with
the same email.

Here's a start:

http://www.fcc.gov/contacts.html

I suspect that if both places get the same message then Ebay might just
be more interested in setting things right. I've seen them take plenty
of Amplifier Ad's down, to the point where some legitimate amps are
delisted. IIRC an older SB-200 that would work on 10 meters as-built.

Anyhow, what are you going to do, just tell us how Hams are so awful
today, (to which I most respectfully and vehemently disagree) or turn em
in? A thought... Just complaining to a newsgroup and doing nothing is
the functional equivalent of accepting it and doing nothing

There are bad guys out there. It is our job to root 'em out.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -