Michael Coslo wrote:

It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too
trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet.



I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow that
I work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere.

No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on ebay
twice, and got your CC info stolen.

The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works
on the
telephone too!



Heck Chuck, we don't have to do anything to have things stolen.
LexisNexis massive Personal info debacle as a point.

Yep, but that doesn't mean one has to make it easy. Control what you
can.


If we don't want our information being out there and vulnerable we
have to deal in cash only, and only buy in person.

That is a little too luddite for me. Your CC company protects you for
anything over $50 if you let them know right away. Well, that is if you
have a CC, debit cards, check cards, and prepaid CC's carry no protection
whatsoever.


I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you
are
advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants
to know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks
to congress and the FCC.

Do you think that is a wise idea?


All that info is readable just by being a ham.

That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off
one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake
would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name
as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble.

On the otherhand, if you post with your callsign, the fruited one can go
over to www.qrz.com, and there you are! Smile, for those crimelab guys,
.... if you can.

And since a lot of people believe that they can make themselves
anonymous on the internet, try posting something really nasty that will
get the attention of the authorities. Then you will find out the extent
of your anonymity.

The federal and state governments are the least of your worries. They'll
find you if they need to find you. It's the lesser evils that you need to
worry about.


That I choose to post as myself is one of those choices that I made
a long time ago. You may choose to think I'm stupid.

Nope, just ignorant and naive about the internet. We are all ignorant and
naive about something (lots of somethings, actually).

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too
trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the
internet.




I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow
that I work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere.


No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on ebay
twice, and got your CC info stolen.

Negative, Chuck.


I posted on Apr 10, 8:52 pm:

Start Mike Post:

I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both
bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay,
and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to
boot - what a mess!

Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy negative
feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is apparently
negative feedback.

The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible" for
*anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud on
their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding
responsibility.

Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've *never*
had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once!

But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture these
sellers paint is not so accurate.......

End Mike post.

Its all in Google groups.

And I still stand by what I said I did have two bad experiences, she
did have her CC info stolen, I still believe that their scheme is
fatally flawed, and that they will probably be taken to court eventually
about it.

And there is not a shed of doubt that at least one ebay apologist is
chiming in.



That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off
one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake
would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name
as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble.

That could happen by a person walking down the sidewalk, or driving to
and from work, or simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

People are so fearful these days. If you want to live in fear, BMG.

- Mike KB3EIA -

THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.

What the hell does this mean ? Everyone is an individual and thus
should be treated as such.

The guy that had the two bad experiences doesn't have what is called
"common sense."







Bill Turner wrote:
THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.

Michael Coslo wrote:


No, I am just working with what you posted. You said that you were on
ebay
twice, and got your CC info stolen.


Negative, Chuck.


I posted on Apr 10, 8:52 pm:

Start Mike Post:

I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both
bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay,
and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to
boot - what a mess!

I stand corrected.


Its all in Google groups.

And I still stand by what I said I did have two bad experiences, she
did have her CC info stolen, I still believe that their scheme is
fatally flawed, and that they will probably be taken to court eventually
about it.

And there is not a shed of doubt that at least one ebay apologist is
chiming in.

What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay?



That's true, but suppose that you post as yourself, and you **** off
one of the truly obsessive nutcases that lurk on usenet. El'fruitcake
would have to search through the thousands of people with the same name
as you inorder to find your sorry ass and make some trouble.


That could happen by a person walking down the sidewalk, or driving
to and from work, or simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not the same at all! The IRL example that would be more appropriate would
be walking down the street with $100 bills threaded on a string around
your neck, and being surprised when you got held up.

People are so fearful these days. If you want to live in fear, BMG.

Not at all. But I suppose that you are so calm and serene that you don't
own any fire extinguishers, or have homeowner's insurance. Odds are good
that you will never use either, so why not get rid of them?

Not exposing yourself more than necessary is more like the insurance thing,
it's a prudent thing to do, only much cheaper.

-Chuck

Bill Turner wrote:
THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.

Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are fine
honest folks.

But they are allowing the bad guys to co-opt their system. And heaven
help anyone who dares to criticize ebay! I'm supposedly stupid, naive,
and all the problems I've had there are my fault. Two problems there,
first is blame the wronged, and second is it's the old the carney/rube
relationship in which it is "okay" to swindle a person because they are
ignorant of "how things work".

There is a big problem. And from what I've seen posted, it isn't going
to be fixed any time soon....

- Mike KB3EIA -

lid wrote:

What the hell does this mean ? Everyone is an individual and thus
should be treated as such.

The guy that had the two bad experiences doesn't have what is called
"common sense."

Those without common sense must be defrauded, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Chuck Harris wrote:


What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay?


You.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
Bill Turner wrote:

THE WORST PART OF IS THAT ALL WHO SELL ON EBAY (AND THE INTERNET) ARE
PAINTED WITH THE THE SAME BRUSH.


Right, Bill! I've no doubt that the majority of Ebay users are fine
honest folks.

But they are allowing the bad guys to co-opt their system.

How do you figure that? I've been screwed by many more grinning vendors
at hamfests than from ebay sellers and nobody seems to be screaming
about trying to clean them up.
I don't think you'll disagree that there's a certain portion of the
population who are going to screw other people whether its sitting in
church pilfering the offering plate or behind prison walls.
Why would you think that ebay could (or should) have some method of
creating an artifically "safe" segment of society? Just how would they
go about doing such a thing? Shoot, if you have a solution then I
nominate you for Pope.

-Bill M

Mike Coslo wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:


What on earth is an ebay apologist? Someone who is employed by ebay?



You.

I see, so, it's ok for you to tar the entire ebay mechanism, and community, because
you don't like it, but it isn't ok for me to try and explain why the problems you
have faced, are of your own making?

Sounds fair to me.

-Chuck