A local High Desert radio station guide

http://www.highdesertinsider.com/html/radio.html

lists 105.3 FM Barstow as KIIS Top 40's

KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles.

105.3 Barstow (actually licensed to Yermo) is listed as KRSX, but it is
licensed to Citicasters, so it's possible that it might be a repeater or
translator. The listing is kinda weird (but then again, the
highdesertinsider web page isn't an official list).

I haven't heard any programming on 105.3 that sounds like Kiss FM but I'll
have to listen again and see what I can find. I may be a little too far
from Barstow to get a good signal though.

What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than
five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls
KITS-FM.

Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will
see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3.

KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...

Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.

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Steven J. Sobol wrote:
A local High Desert radio station guide

http://www.highdesertinsider.com/html/radio.html

lists 105.3 FM Barstow as KIIS Top 40's

KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles.

105.3 Barstow (actually licensed to Yermo) is listed as KRSX, but it is
licensed to Citicasters, so it's possible that it might be a repeater or
translator. The listing is kinda weird (but then again, the
highdesertinsider web page isn't an official list).

I haven't heard any programming on 105.3 that sounds like Kiss FM but I'll
have to listen again and see what I can find. I may be a little too far
from Barstow to get a good signal though.

They're reusing the Kiss logo and format in markets across the country.
Last time I was in Chicago, I saw the exact same Kiss FM logo (only
with 102.7 replaced by 103.5) on billboards across the city. My guess
is the webmaster at this site mistook the similarity in formats/logos
(and possibly simulcast morning show?) to mean the Barstow-area station
is a translator of the real KIIS.

Of course, being a LONG way from California, it's possible the
Barstow-area station actually *is* a high-powered translator of
KIISgrin...

What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than
five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls
KITS-FM.

Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will
see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3.

KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...

Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.

FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same
frequency as the primary station. I suppose they're used when open
frequencies for translators are scarce (certainly the case in the Bay
Area!) and when terrain is rough enough that the boosters won't
interfere with the main transmitter, at least not in places where anyone
lives!

There are twelve of them in Pleasanton, relaying different SF-area
stations. A bunch in Walnut Creek too. I count a total of 55 in
various Bay Area sites.

They exist elsewhere too. KPRI has three within the San Diego city
limits alone. Current Engineering Database shows 179 boosters licensed.
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"Steven J. Sobol" wrote in message
...

What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than
five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls
KITS-FM.

Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will
see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3.

KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...

Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.

On-channel boosters.

"Steven J. Sobol" writes:

KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...

Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.

Boosters?


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KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles.


Nope.


"KIIS" implies AM.

KIIS (AM) is 850 in Thousand Oaks.

0.5 kW days, 0.25 kW nights, DA-2.

Citicasters owns it.


The original KIIS (AM) was 1150 in L.A.

It has been KXTA since 1997.


KIIS-FM is indeed L.A. ... also Citicasters.

"Steven J. Sobol" wrote in message
...

What really struck me as strange is that there seem to be no fewer than
five FCC licenses for stations on 105.3 in California with the calls
KITS-FM.

Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will
see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3.

KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...

Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.



They are all repeaters for KITS. They are very low power, usually
directional and used to fill in dead spots where the original signal can't
get through. There are several of those around the Bay Area for other
stations too. They are very common in areas like around the bay where
geography plays havoc with FM/VHF Line of sight.

Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

They're reusing the Kiss logo and format in markets across the country.

I know. (cf. http://www.kissfm965.com and http://www.kiisfm.com)

Last time I was in Chicago, I saw the exact same Kiss FM logo (only
with 102.7 replaced by 103.5) on billboards across the city.

They flipped 103.5 to Kiss? Used to be active rock, and alt-rock before
that. But the last time I was in Chicago was '94... there have probably
been a lot of changes since then. Wonder how it does vs. B96. (I'm going
to Chicago in a couple weeks so I guess I'll find out!)

My guess
is the webmaster at this site mistook the similarity in formats/logos
(and possibly simulcast morning show?) to mean the Barstow-area station
is a translator of the real KIIS.

Simulcast? Hm. Wonder if it's Rick Dees or Sean Valentine. Dees is actually
the morning guy at KIIS. Valentine is the afternoon drive guy but his show
is voice-tracked and used as the morning show at a bunch of KISS stations in
smaller markets.

Of course, being a LONG way from California, it's possible the
Barstow-area station actually *is* a high-powered translator of
KIISgrin...

That's what I was thinking. Barstow is actually two hours north of
LA (as the crow flies; it'll take longer to drive there because you have to
deal with LA traffic and it isn't as straight shot).

FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same
frequency as the primary station.

Thank you (and thanks to everyone else who replied.) I'm a little embarrassed
about not knowing this, even though I've never worked in the industry.

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Steven J. Sobol had written:
|
| Do an FM Search on the FCC's website, on 105.3 in California, and you will
| see KITS, KITS-FM1, KITS-FM2, KITS-FM3, and KITS-FM4 on 105.3.
|
| KITS is San Francisco, FM1 is Walnut Creek, FM2 is Pleasanton, FM3 is
| San Francisco, and FM4 is Antioch. All owned by Infinity...
|
| Can someone explain this? I've never seen it before.
|
On-channel boosters. The Bay Area's terrain blocks signals from
reaching areas that would otherwise have no problem getting
coverage. The boosters "fill in the blanks", as it were. All but
the San Francisco location are in East Bay communities on the
opposite side of the Oakland and Berkeley hills from San Francisco.
These boosters provide coverage to those communities and the I-680
corridor that connects most of them. There is little or no
interference with the main station largely because the hills
so effectively block the main signal. (I believe there is carrier
synchronization involved as well, but I am not clear on the details.)

You'll see boosters for other stations as well, all in East Bay
communities such as the ones above.

Not sure what the San Francisco KITS booster is doing -- KITS is
transmitting from the Sutro tower which should give reasonably good
coverage of most of the city.


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Peter H. wrote:
KIIS, of course, is 102.7 in Los Angeles.


Nope.

"KIIS" implies AM.

Should have figured someone would call me on this. I figured 102.7 would
imply KIIS-FM :P

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On 4 Dec 2003 14:42:22 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:


FM Boosters. Same purpose as a translator, but operates on the same
frequency as the primary station. I suppose they're used when open
frequencies for translators are scarce (certainly the case in the Bay
Area!) and when terrain is rough enough that the boosters won't
interfere with the main transmitter, at least not in places where anyone
lives!

On-channel boosters are not quite the same thing as translators.
Boosters are used when terrain obstacles block parts of the predicted
coverage contour of an FM station. They are allowed only to fill such
"holes," not to extend what would otherwise be the station's coverage
area. The SF bay area is full of them, as the topography prevents any
FM station from reaching full coverage without boosters.

Mark Howell