Hello Jim:

Yes good to see a few of the good guys out there to. Hope all is well
with you and your family.

What type od wire antenna where you using? A long wire.

I used a 300 foot long wire to a Collins ART13 on the Broadcast Band
where I was a kid and didn't know better.

Jay in the Mojave

Merry Christmas.


Jim Hampton wrote:

Hello Jay,

Just string up as much 10-12 gauge wire as you can. You'd be
surprised what a couple of hundred feet of wire fed against ground
can do.

I did this as a kid. Several hundred feet of 8 gauge wire fed
against 5 eight foot ground rods and the house heating system
(radiator ground). I was good for farther than I could receive in
the daytime (a station in Washington, DC, had to relay to me through
Buffalo, NY, that I was banging in well over S-9 at 1:00 PM!). In
the evening, I was good for the lower 48.

Good to see you around in the newsgroup


73 from Rochester, NY Jim

Steveo wrote:
me wrote:
End of an Era: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License
Classes

Stand by for the asshole stampede.

Hey btw, can BPL be far behind?

--
Happy Holidays

Good. I still won't be able to get my ham liscense. I took the "test"
back in the early to mid 1980's. When all the hams were required to
know morse code, and these were hams that knew morse code and passed
the morse code requirement.

Besides the questions in the book, there were also some questions on
the test that weren't in the ham books I studied.

One of these was "What does ATV stand for as relating to hams?"

I wrote: ""Amateur TV, also known as Ham TV."

After the test was over, the ham VEC's marked it wrong, told me I got
it wrong, then told me that the correct answer to that question is "ATV
as relating to hams stands for All-Terrain Vehicles equipped with a ham
radio. There isn't any such thing as amateur tv or ham tv".

That wasn't the only question like that that they pulled.

Those hams are still on the air today.

As long as I'm in this area, I won't be able to get my ham liscense
except if the FCC changes the way things are done one way or the other.

And I probably won't be moving out of this area since all of my family
and friends are here.

I now hope that the FCC either 1. Brings back the FCC officials as the
test examiners and don't allow the ham VEC's as test examiners at all.
Or 2. Deregulate ham radio completely.

Actually, after my experiences, I hope the FCC deregulates ham radio
completely and lets the general public in.

I never did get my fifty dollars back the hams made me pay to take that
phony "ham test".they gave.

They only want only their own little clique that's already in there to
be the only ones ever in there.

All the stuff they say to the public and authorities about getting new
members in is just smoke and mirrors so that the authorities won't
catch on to what they're really doing.

Currently, to get your ham liscense here, it's not what you know, it's
who you know.










me wrote:
End of an Era: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License
Classes

NEWINGTON, CT, Dec 15, 2006 -- In an historic move, the FCC has acted
to drop the Morse code requirement for all Amateur Radio license
classes. The Commission today adopted, but hasn't yet released, the
long-awaited Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 05-235, the "Morse
code" proceeding. Also today, the FCC adopted an Order on
Reconsideration in WT Docket 04-140 -- the "omnibus" proceeding --
modifying the Amateur Radio rules in response to an ARRL request to
accommodate automatically controlled narrowband digital stations on 80
meters in the wake of rule changes that became effective today at
12:01 AM Eastern Time. The Commission said it will designate the 3585
to 3600 kHz frequency segment for such operations, although the
segment will remain available for CW, RTTY and data as it has been. In
a break from what's been the usual practice in Amateur Radio
proceedings, the FCC only issued a public notice at or about the close
of business today and not the actual Report & Order, so some details
-- including the effective dates of the two orders -- remain
uncertain. Currently, Amateur Radio applicants for General and higher
class licenses have to pass a 5 WPM Morse code test to operate on HF.
Today's R&O will eliminate that requirement all around.

"This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may
discourage current Amateur Radio operators from advancing their skills
and participating more fully in the benefits of Amateur Radio," the
FCC said. The ARRL had asked the FCC to retain the 5 WPM for Amateur
Extra class applicants only. The FCC proposed earlier to drop the
requirement across the board, however, and it held to that decision in
today's R&O.

Perhaps more important, the FCC's action in WT Docket 05-235 appears
to put all Technician licensees on an equal footing: Once the R&O goes
into effect, holders of Technician class licenses will have equivalent
HF privileges, whether or not they've passed the 5 WPM Element 1 Morse
examination. The FCC said the R&O in the Morse code docket would
eliminate a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician
and Technician Plus class licensees -- something the ARRL also has
asked the Commission to correct following the release of its July 2005
Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) in WT Docket 05-235.

"With today's elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC
concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of
Technician class licensees and Technician Plus class licensees should
not be retained," the FCC said in its public notice. "Therefore, the
FCC, in today's action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus
licensees identical operating privileges."

Technician licensees without Element 1 credit (ie, Tech Plus
licensees) currently have operating privileges on all amateur
frequencies above 30 MHz. Tech Pluses or Technicians with Element 1
credit have limited HF privileges on 80, 40, 15 and 10 meters. Under
the Part 97 rules the Commission proposed last year in its NPRM in WT
Docket 05-235, current Technicians lacking Morse credit after the new
rules went into effect would have had to upgrade to General to earn
any HF privileges.

The wholesale elimination of a Morse code requirement for all license
classes ends a longstanding national and international regulatory
tradition in the requirements to gain access to Amateur Radio
frequencies below 30 MHz. The first no-code license in the US was the
Technician ticket, instituted in 1991. The question of whether or not
to drop the Morse requirement altogether has been the subject of
often-heated debate over the past several years, but the handwriting
has been on the wall -- especially since the FCC instituted an
across-the-board 5 WPM Morse requirement effective April 15, 2000, in
the most-recent major Amateur Radio licensing restructuring (WT Docket
98-143).

The FCC said today's R&O in WT Docket 05-235 comports with revisions
to the international Radio Regulations resulting from the
International Telecommunication Union (ITU) World Radiocommunication
Conference 2003 (WRC-03). At that gathering, delegates agreed to
authorize each country to determine whether or not to require that
applicants demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for
an Amateur Radio license with privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz.

The list of countries dropping the Morse requirement has been growing
steadily since WRC-03. A number of countries, including Canada, the UK
and several European nations, now no longer require applicants for an
Amateur Radio license to pass a Morse code test to gain HF operating
privileges. Following WRC-03, the FCC received several petitions for
rule making asking it to eliminate the Morse requirement in the US.

Typically, the effective date of an FCC Order is 30 days after it
appears in the Federal Register. If that's the case, the Morse
requirement and the revised 80-meter segment for automatically
controlled digital stations would likely not go into effect until late
January or early February 2007. That's not clear from the public
notice, however. The FCC can order its decision effective upon
release.

The ARRL will provide any additional information on these important
Part 97 rule revisions as it becomes available.

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/12/15/104/?nc=1

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-269012A1.pdf

Goodbye ham radio, hello to more cb frequencies that will be taken
over
by the know-nothing pottymouth cbers with their band splattering
leenyears

Some of the hams could take lessons from some of the cb'ers. This cb'er
uses only the least amount of power necessary for communications that
my equipment will allow.









Vinnie S. wrote:
On 16 Dec 2006 10:28:03 -0800, "cmdr buzz corey"
wrote:


me wrote:
End of an Era: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License
Classes

NEWINGTON, CT, Dec 15, 2006 -- In an historic move, the FCC has acted
to drop the Morse code requirement for all Amateur Radio license
classes.

Goodbye ham radio, hello to more cb frequencies that will be taken over
by the know-nothing pottymouth cbers with their band splattering
leenyears.


Cry me a river, asshole.

Vinnie S.

Stand by for the asshole stampede

That already happened when they let in hams who passed the morse code
test who don't want anyone else in there except for their oiwn little
clique, and make up phony ham tests andd phony answers for anyone else
wanting to become a ham and flunk them so they can't pass the test
whether or not they got the answers correct.

I now think the dropping of the morse code requirement will bring more
civility to the ham bands. And even if it doesn't, then good. They (the
hams) deserve it to happen. Since they're the ones who are so uncivil.

With more people joining it, then maybe the uncivil hams won't be able
to prevent knowledgable operators from joining it just because they
don't want them in their little clique or just because they think
"his face is too ugly" or "I don't like the color of his hair:" , or "I
don't like the color of his skin" or whatever other such reasoning for
keeping knowledgable operaters who answered questions correctly out by
marking the correct answers as wrong and telling them they flunked.








Steveo wrote:
jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
me wrote:

End of an Era: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License
Classes


Stand by for the asshole stampede.

hehehe

You gonna get one of those shiny new tickets Jim?

the modern question pool is multible choice to prevent just such
abuses

I know. Unfortunately, it didn't work and didn't prevent the types of
abuse it was intended to prevent.

That's why I'm now in favor of reinstating the rule that only FCC
officials are allowed to be the test examiners and graders.

I know not all ham radio operators are like that.

But what went on in my area and does go on in my area is proof that
the current system of allowing the ham radio operators theirselves to
be the test examiners is flawed.

The only ways I can think of to actually prevent this kind of abuse of
the system is to either

1. Reinstate the rule that only FCC officials are allowed to be the
examiners, so that the ham radio operators don't have any control over
who does and doesn't get onto ham frequen cies or

2. Deregulate ham radio entirely, so that the ham radio operators
theirselves don't have any control over who does and doesn't get onto
ham frequencies.

As it curently stands, they're able to get their friends in by passing
them even if they don't know anything about ham radio or morse code at
all, and preventing knowledgable people from getting in even if they
got every answer correct on the written test and passed the morse code
test.

I never expected to pass the morse code test anyways, even though I
studied it and tried to. But after what went on with the written test
and other things, I now suspect that I might have actually passed the
morse code test also even though they told me I got everything
completely wrong on all of the tests, written and morse.

As long as the FCC allows the ham radio operators theirselves to be the
test examiners, the abuses can and will go on.