On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm
***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.

Also indefense of Frank, most major electronics firms make you sign a
non disclosure agreement(NDA). That means that you can not divulge
anything of your job, projects that you worked on or that the company
is doing or is in plan. Usually these last for at least one year after
employement ceases. Also any patents that you file outside work during
employment or within a one year period after employment ceases is
subject to challenge as it might contain intellectual property from
your former employer.

NDAs can be very restrictive. Also they are very binding legally.

james

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:22:41 GMT, james wrote
in :

On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers. That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm
***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.


No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.


Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the mantle..arrrggh

I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right next to extra mantles, fishing line, firewood, newspaper,
and such. No oak leaf wiping, please. My wife would freak.

Now we attempt to camp.

On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the mantle..arrrggh


Easy enough. You can even rebuild the generator if you want. Use a
plastic scrub pad to clean the parts, but be careful because they bend
really easy. Then polish both the inside of the brass tube and the
outside of the cardboard tube with mega-fine sandpaper until the
cardboard tube slides freely inside the brass tube. Put it all back
together and fire it up. There will be a little muck left over so
you'll have to turn the cleaning handle a few times, but after that it
will work for almost as long as a brand new generator.

Oh yeah.... I hate to sound like a commercial, but don't use anything
but Coleman fuel. There are other brands of fuel available but they
are refined like pump gas; the shelf life is short, and if the fuel
has been sitting for a few months it will muck things up just like
pump gas does in your lawnmower over the winter. But I've never had a
bad can of Coleman fuel.


I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right


Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 02:19:06 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
-snip-
I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.

I have a knack for busting the mantles on them, but otherwise that is
usually the brightest non-electric lamp in camp.

Don't mess with clip-on mantles -- they're worthless. Use the tie-on
type. Use a double-overhand knot, tie it loose -before- you slip on
the mantle, then even out the wrinkles and pull it tight. That way you
won't have a loose mantle that will fall apart when you bump the
lantern. But even doing that I still get about 1 in 3 mantles that end
up with a hole after burn-in. The quality just isn't there anymore.


Yeah like you said tie the knot and don't trip over the lamp, especially
while it is lighted..like a moth to a flame that seems to be my weakness,
Frank.

Heh, now-days we are upgrading the generator instead of the
mantle..arrrggh


Easy enough. You can even rebuild the generator if you want. Use a
plastic scrub pad to clean the parts, but be careful because they bend
really easy. Then polish both the inside of the brass tube and the
outside of the cardboard tube with mega-fine sandpaper until the
cardboard tube slides freely inside the brass tube. Put it all back
together and fire it up. There will be a little muck left over so
you'll have to turn the cleaning handle a few times, but after that it
will work for almost as long as a brand new generator.

Oh yeah.... I hate to sound like a commercial, but don't use anything
but Coleman fuel. There are other brands of fuel available but they
are refined like pump gas; the shelf life is short, and if the fuel
has been sitting for a few months it will muck things up just like
pump gas does in your lawnmower over the winter. But I've never had a
bad can of Coleman fuel.


I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right


Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!




Ive been told that alcohol is good fuel for Coleman lanterns. Is this true.
I tried it once in a camp stove and it seemed to work OK.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 05 Jan 2007 03:12:40 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

I can still primitive camp a bit, butt toilet paper is high on the must
have list right

Absolutely! In a major disaster, everyone should know where their
local TP warehouse is located!

Good advice all the way, Frank!

--
Be the rain.

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:22:41 GMT, james wrote
in :

On 3 Jan 2007 10:27:46 -0800, "Telstar Electronics"
wrote:

+++Frank Gilliland wrote:
+++ The employer owns the design. I have no right or control over any
+++ design made under the direction of any of my previous employers.
That
+++ means I can't use them, I can't re-use them, I can't sell them and I
+++ can't publically disclose them. The only reason I'm mentioning this
is
+++ because it was pointed out to me that a lot of people don't know
this.
+++ But it really doesn't matter to you since you were never an engineer
+++ and are now back to your pouting routine. Works for me.
+++
+++Frank, I couldn't resist responding to this. Are you saying that you
+++never designed anything outside of work? This makes no sense if you're
+++an engineer! Still waiting to see a design from you. Something tells
me
+++I've got a long wait... LOL
+++
+++What's new? Glad you asked...
+++http://www.telstar-electronics.com/d...s/WhatsNew.htm
***********

Outside my engineering job, designing circuits was as far as anything
that I wanted to do. When your hobby and work comingle, it makes for a
very dull life.


No kidding. My favorite hobby has nothing to do with electronics; I
rebuild & restore old Coleman lanterns. I would gladly trade any of
the crusty old CB's from my pile for a crusty old Coleman lantern.




Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:27:17 -0500, "Jimmie D"
wrote in
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snip

Amen on that, almost totally lost interest in electronics when I started
doing it for a living.


I know exactly what you mean. It was a cool hobby when I was a kid,
and I still keep a bench at home. But now every time I do something
electronic it's like I'm working and not really enjoying it anymore.
Go figure.