Ok a hole lot more in here in the power line system noise issue.

A local ham that has a rather impressive antenna farm here just down the
raod, and one street over from me, I have early morning coffee at the local
due drop Inn with a few of the boys. So that Dx Frequencies, Ham radio and
CB things can be hashed out. You would have to be there I guess to get the
full jest.

I asked him to listen in on all the ham bands and see if there was any less
noise on the bands, since the the power company fixed my street bad power
transformers. He called me up after coffee section, and invited me over for
a listen in to 20, 15, and 10 meters. He has all these mono beams up on
those bands.

We could hear DX Stations rolling in and around 14.200 Mc, on his older
Yasue FT1000 Radio, with no noise holding up the S-meter. But we did hear
inbetween the stations way off lightening, and a different type of noise you
hear when the band is kind of open. This was great to hear a noise free
radio, and not just mine. So the power company fix really worked great!

We listened in on 15, 10, and 11 meters very quiet, no power line noise. We
now wanted the bands to open up, and let the skip condations and DX to run.

Jay in the Mojave


"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message
...
Hello Steveo:
"Steveo" I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear.

Look at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

Theres all kinds of good stuff there on BPL

Jay in the Mojave

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:36:40 -0700, "Jay in the Mojave"
wrote:

Ok a hole lot more in here in the power line system noise issue.

A local ham that has a rather impressive antenna farm here just down the
raod, and one street over from me, I have early morning coffee at the local
due drop Inn with a few of the boys. So that Dx Frequencies, Ham radio and
CB things can be hashed out. You would have to be there I guess to get the
full jest.

I asked him to listen in on all the ham bands and see if there was any less
noise on the bands, since the the power company fixed my street bad power
transformers. He called me up after coffee section, and invited me over for
a listen in to 20, 15, and 10 meters. He has all these mono beams up on
those bands.

We could hear DX Stations rolling in and around 14.200 Mc, on his older
Yasue FT1000 Radio, with no noise holding up the S-meter. But we did hear
inbetween the stations way off lightening, and a different type of noise you
hear when the band is kind of open. This was great to hear a noise free
radio, and not just mine. So the power company fix really worked great!

We listened in on 15, 10, and 11 meters very quiet, no power line noise. We
now wanted the bands to open up, and let the skip condations and DX to run.

Jay in the Mojave

absolutely outstanding man truly congrats

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/

and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well

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Jay in the Mojave wrote:
Steveo wrote:

Jay in the Mojave wrote:

Hello All:

I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power
line noise.



snip for brevity

Hello Jay:

It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will
you
do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen?


Hello Steveo:

I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add
on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good.
Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for
your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is
measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the
FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details.

A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it
running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment,
maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet
sever business, that get $9.98 a house?

And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL
equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL
equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb
operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam.

With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and
will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass
photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use.

I doubt the speed of light will be passed. There is latentcy yes but
nothing is faster.

I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of
like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all
up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world
conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into
telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow
high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of
other things.

If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes
things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They
will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with
more power outages.

That power outage was caused by a bad line near Cleveland.


I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into
the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint,
quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing
your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL
to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code
1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only
measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on
his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more.

Jay in the Mojave

"Jay in the Mojave" wrote:
Hello Steveo:
"Steveo" I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear.

Look at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

Theres all kinds of good stuff there on BPL

Jay in the Mojave

I hope there's no money in it after the other provider competition. ****
BPL.

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Hello All:

Ok I got a few e-mails on this thread, asking for more info and such.

The ARRL sells a exellent book called "The ARRL RFI Book" this book
is quit a improvement to the first edition. See:
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/6834/

More than likly sold at HRO and AES, and others.

HRO is at http://www.hamradio.com/cgi-bin/uncg...MAX=150&OPT=on
look at book number 116

AES is at: http://www.aesham.com/home.shtml

Jay in the Mojave


"Jay in the Mojave" wrote in message
...
Hello All:

I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power
line noise.

The local cb'ers, hams and I have always had severe power line noises. Any
where from below the AM Broadcast Band into the VHF Hi Band.

Calls to the power company went in vain. From all the kings men and
horses.

Well after one good call to the power company accusing them of purposely
installing noisey power grid system, and having Aligns from the planet
Cone Head work for them, I hung up in discuss.

Saturday morning I woke up to the Rosters Call, at about 5 AM, the alarm
clock was dead no lights no power! I turned on the scanner near the bed,
yep no power!

The house is a little cold but livable with a jacket. My emergency back up
no **** flashlight is deader then flatten snails in the driveway. Oh good!
I turn on my battery operated shortwave radio, runs off 115 VAC or D Cell
Batteries. Nothing about anyone loosing power or any major power grid
problems off the radio....

So I get the bright ideaer to drive around and see all who ain't got
power. A few mins later I realize its just my street and all the rest of
the streets have power to the tower. Looking to where my street high
voltage lines hook up to the main high voltage wires down the street, I
see the Circuit Breaker Coily looking thing dangling a wire about a foot
long, indicating the circuit breakers blew open, both of them. Then I am
thinking one of the step down transformers must have shorted or blown up,
or something went real wrong, on my street. Or someone has a Dooms Day
Linear and I don't know about it!

On my old phone (doesn't need wall power to work) calling the power
company. Then I notice the power company out there with a crew of guys
working the power lines, I hang up not wanting to listen to the power
company machine answering system any more.

These guys removed and replaced 3 step down transformers, and added in a
very large high voltage capacitor across the high voltage lines.

As power was turned on about 10 AM, I turned on the radios, man what a
clean NO noise reception. Usually hearing a S3 to S6 noise level, now the
S meter sets on Zero. I could hear a electric fence in the background
there somewhere. Stations from Los Angles where now heard in the clear.
160, 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 11 meters had no noise! Bitchen!

The point off all this is, Its a good call to know the circuit your on,
that is the high voltage run, the highest wires that feed the large pole
transformers that step down the 14 KV VAC power to 220 VAC for house use.
If you know how its laid out you can drive around and sample noise levels.
As the other streets didn't have the noise, just my street. Just the one
little system of high voltage run was noisy than all get out. But now is
super quiet. Not real hard to make a map of the different high voltage
circuits in a neighborhood.

Jay in the Mojave

Steveo wrote:
Jay in the Mojave wrote:

Steveo wrote:


Jay in the Mojave wrote:


Hello All:

I thought you all might like to hear how i got rid of some major power
line noise.



snip for brevity

Hello Jay:

It's nice to have that noise gone out of your ears no doubt. What will
you do with BPL? Is that really gonna happen?


Hello Steveo:

I don't really think so. Its ****ing in the wind technology. Its a add
on goof ball scheme, that getting more attention then BPL has done good.
Anytime you modify a system for something other than it was designed for
your going to run into big problems. Right off the Bat the ARRL is
measuring the RF Signal/Interference levels from BPL and even sueing the
FCC over all this. Look at http:www.arrl.org for more details.

A power grid system has a number of maintenance crew who keep it
running. What are the equipment, installation, training, test equipment,
maintenance costs? And they are going to compete in a home internet
sever business, that get $9.98 a house?

And what about the nut balls that are going to shoot out the BPL
equipment, and then mistake a brand new transformer like I got, for BPL
equipment? Oh man! What about near by interference from a ham or cb
operator, you know some of the boys run pretty impressive steam.

With new fiber optics and who know what else is coming that is new and
will pass high speed electrons even faster that the Fiber Optics pass
photons. Maybe even a wireless system will be put into use.

I found it kind of funny reading some of the material on BPL, kind of
like some of those guys all ready have their mind made up before its all
up and running. Any new design must be tested and under real world
conditions, like noisy transformers, lightening, drunks running into
telephone poles, High Voltage leaking into their equipment, rain, snow
high winds with ice, Ham Radio Mucho Power Inc types, and a bunch of
other things.

If the countries power grids are in bad shape I'd say that even makes
things worst. Remember the power outage in NY City a while back. They
will have state and federal authorities breathing down their necks with
more power outages.

I would list BPL, in with the Edsel, Probation, X wives, ****ing into
the wind, flat spare tires, morse code learning tapes, AOL, Lead Paint,
quick sand, trusting polications, 9th grade european history, losing
your car keys, having nut cake hackers copy your computer data over BPL
to buy them a new car, Ordering new LMR 400 coax and getting date code
1968 Radio Shack RG58C coax, buying that new linear off E-Bay and only
measuring 125 watts out after the guy told you it would do 550 watts on
his Mickey Mouse Dorsey CB'er guy wish watt meter, and much more.

Jay in the Mojave



Hello Jay

Oh man you got long winded that time and it got better with every
sentence/paragraph. I hope you're right about the flat spare tire BPL
analogy. It boils down to how much cash can they pocket from it and to hell
with the amateur radio enthusiast complaining about it.

I understand it sounds like a bee hive in your ear.

Hello Steveo:

Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics

Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there.

Jay in the Mojave

Jay in the Mojave wrote:
snip
Hello Steveo:


Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics

Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there.

Jay in the Mojave

Hi Jay, I don't see anything good about bpl, but I have cable so perhaps
I'm not a good comparison to someone that only has electric lines
someplace.

I will try to *aim* some nasty **** at the bpl as much as I can if it comes
anyplace near me. (i get the feeling i won't be the only one from what i
hear on the air)

Yo Mamma wrote:

...
BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to think
maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission and
distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to provide
higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are waiting on a
storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild your infrastructure.
Not so good if you want to provide good internet service. BPL is not a
viable option on a large scale...with the state of the industry now.

Your crystal ball seems broken ...

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sho...leID=202400285

JS

"Yo Mamma" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Jay in the Mojave wrote:
snip
Hello Steveo:


Look at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

Click on Description of BPL equipment and its characterstics

Hole bunch of good stuff on BPl there.

Jay in the Mojave

Hi Jay, I don't see anything good about bpl, but I have cable so
perhaps I'm not a good comparison to someone that only has electric
lines someplace.

I will try to *aim* some nasty **** at the bpl as much as I can if it
comes
anyplace near me. (i get the feeling i won't be the only one from what
i hear on the air)

BPL would work great, if the electric utility industry didn't seem to
think maintenance was an option. As it stands now, most transmission and
distribution providers are starving the maintenance departments to
provide higher returns for the stockholders. Fine and dandy if you are
waiting on a storm to come to you and provide write-offs to rebuild your
infrastructure. Not so good if you want to provide good internet service.
BPL is not a viable option on a large scale...with the state of the
industry now.

Aim noise ask questions later.

Yo Mamma wrote:

...
As well as does your ability to comprehend what continent I live on and am
speaking about...not to mention that I work in the industry. Lots of things
have been tried through the years that did not come to fruition. Some things
do. A case in point...some said Europeans would not be able to understand
the Internet. They were wrong. I will not be. Now we are stuck with
Europeans spewing links with no understanding of what they mean.

You must have worked an assembly line "in the industry." (Maybe just
stood outside the door and panhandled for bottles ...)

Go back to college and take an english class or two ...

JS