On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:29:58 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

In , Earl Johnston
wrote:
... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
is permitted.

You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?


Not nearly as much as I'd like to. Have travelled exttensively
through Canada, US, Mexico, England, Scotland & Wales.

Admittedly, most of the information I have is second hand.. Australian
Uncle, ...Father and Mother travelled extensively for years through
Europe and the far East..Dad worked in India for some time..My
Daughter who works in Hong Kong, just came home from 4 months in
Mainland China.

While there is no substitute for first hand experience, in today's
information age, a great deal of knowledge about a place can be gained
without actually being on the ground.

While I may not have the stamps in my passport that others do, my
lack of world travel experience does not invalidate my position that
in most countries where the rule of law prevails, anything which is
not forbidden, is permitted.

On 14 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0700, (Aaron H.
Voobner) wrote:

For purposes of this discussion, you said:

However, others in this forum are able to talk skip without
running afoul of our national regulations.

If you don't know the names of the countries who are "unregulated",
how do you know which "others" in this forum are able to talk skip?

Valid point. I don't....yet.

The whole " not every country has signed the agreements" argument was
really just a rear-guard action on my part untill I could get more
information to bolster my argument.

I thoght my own country had changed its position on CB skip talking
and was going to quote our regs to you. I then discovered that they
hadn't changed at all. At that point all I had left ,was the idea
that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
had outlawed 11 meter DXing.

And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
back that up.

In , Earl Johnston
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:29:58 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

In , Earl Johnston
wrote:
... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
is permitted.

You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?


Not nearly as much as I'd like to. Have travelled exttensively
through Canada, US, Mexico, England, Scotland & Wales.

Admittedly, most of the information I have is second hand.. Australian
Uncle, ...Father and Mother travelled extensively for years through
Europe and the far East..Dad worked in India for some time..My
Daughter who works in Hong Kong, just came home from 4 months in
Mainland China.

While there is no substitute for first hand experience, in today's
information age, a great deal of knowledge about a place can be gained
without actually being on the ground.

While I may not have the stamps in my passport that others do, my
lack of world travel experience does not invalidate my position that
in most countries where the rule of law prevails, anything which is
not forbidden, is permitted.

I spent a little time in the Middle East. While I was there I learned that there
are places you don't go, people you don't talk to, things you don't say, etc,
even though there is no law forbidding such things. I have been other places as
well, and it's pretty much the same way everywhere I went. The US is pretty
unique in that we need every single little rule of conduct to be codified as law
in explicit terms before people finally decide to behave themselves. But as
exemplified in this newsgroup and on the Citizen's Band, even -that- doesn't
always work.





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"Earl Johnston" wrote in message
...
At that point all I had left ,was the idea
that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
had outlawed 11 meter DXing.

And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
back that up.

England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

"sheik yerbooti" wrote in message ...
"RASTA" wrote in message
. ..

You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your counterparts
started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control. When
control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the AKC
beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man, that's
the
truth.


How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?

Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
every other day?

"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
"sheik yerbooti" wrote in message
...
"RASTA" wrote in message
. ..

You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your
counterparts
started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control.
When
control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the
AKC
beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man,
that's
the
truth.


How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?

Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
every other day?



Same reason you don't disclose your make believe call sign.

"Bert Craig" wrote in message ...
"Earl Johnston" wrote in message
...
At that point all I had left ,was the idea
that it is extremely unlikely ( IMHO ) that every country in the world
had outlawed 11 meter DXing.

And while I believe that there are a number of countries who have no
legislation prohibitting CB skip talking, I have no hard data yet to
back that up.

England has no distance limit on their 11-meter CB allocation.

Yes it really is too bad they are restricted to FM mode only. HF DX is
not intended to be a feature of the service.

-Aaron-

"sheik yerbooti" wrote in message ...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
"sheik yerbooti" wrote in message
...
"RASTA" wrote in message
. ..

You brought that upon yourself, Franklin. When you and your
counterparts
started flaming this NG bigtime in '99, it got way out of control.
When
control is lost, then you have CHAOS. And that is the fruits that the
AKC
beared. There was no one else to blame but the AKC. Sorry man,
that's
the
truth.


How long have you been trolling this NG and under what name?

Not nearly as long as you have, Georgie-girl Busch, nor with the huge
number of names you've used. Wonder why you have to change your NIC
every other day?



Same reason you don't disclose your make believe call sign.

How would you know it's "make believe", Georgie-girl? You don't yet
know anything about me.

(Aaron H. Voobner) wrote in message . com...
Chim Bubba wrote:
Me too! Always have. That is the main reason for coming here but as
was mentioned by others before. The crap that goes on in this group
NEVER and I mean NEVER even affects the real guy on the cb.

So what's your problem? Why even waste your energy of coming in here
and complaining about it? It's been going on for so long, nothing's
ever gonna change it.You can't accomplish anything with whining.It's a
losing battle. It's like trying to drain the ocean with a teacup.You
might as well just give up.What you're doing is useless.
(sarcasm/irony intentional)

That's actually the most reasonable and logical thing I've ever seen
you post, Aanal Aaron. Too bad you're trying to impose it on others,
instead of applying it to yourself.

You, Frankie-boy, Georgie-girl, and others have attempted to control
other people thru trolling for quite some time. It hasn't worked, it
doesn't work, it won't work. If FCC enforcement hasn't worked, what
makes you believe that your lame trolling will?

You are quite correct: Ain't nothing gonna change it. All you can do
is control yourself, something you're really poor at. That applies to
you, Aanal Aaron, to Frankie-boy, to Georgie-girl, and the others. So
why bother taking up space here to complain about it?

CBers are aware of the Rules, and a few of them make a decision to
violate them. You are not an FCC operative (if you are, what's your
badge number?), nor are any of the other trolls. Hell, Frankie-boy
isn't a ham or a "commercial broadcast engineer" as he has claimed.
He's lucky if he's even a tech.

Thus, you might as well give it up. The best you can do is operate
your CB legally and try to set an example. Nothing else is going to do
anything but raise your blood pressure.

Frank Gilliland wrote in message . ..
In , Earl Johnston
wrote:

snip

... In most of the world, anything which is not forbidden,
is permitted.

You haven't seen very much of the world first-hand, have you?

Have YOU ever read the Constitution of the United States? It plainly
states precisely that.