For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

In , "RASTA"
wrote:

For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans.
Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright
future for CB radio.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the
newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.








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I have seen this time and again on the internet.

"Frank'..goes by millions of names. He is an excellent example of a
person who bought a computer, has few if any friends and uses the internet
in lieu of medication, counseling or just 'getting out more.'

The millions of "Franks' out there can be seen in every group from radio
to religion (or lack there of.) to CD collecting newsgroups.

Their sole purpose in life is some 'compulsive' behavior disorder that
drives them to pay hundrends of dollars for a computer just so they can
excercise their mental disorder on the general public without any face to
face contact. A type of high tech 'sniping' that serves no purpose other
than to satisfy some mental abberation that only counseling and possiably
medication could alleviate.

Now if some think I am being mean to "Frank", I am not.

"Frank" has one very good point about legality.
In the past, CB was licensed as a way to control it. Abeit dismally.
"Frank' or "Franks' like him, are an excellent argument why people
should be licensed for the internet...of course..that will never happen..so
like the "Franks" on CB and ham radio or the little mouthy guy in the bar.
You ignore him.

As said earliar, "Franks' can be seen in every group.

"Franks" as this one did, also rant about their 'right' to 'free
speech'. The real 'right' they want is someone to acknowledge them. Because
in their dismal little world, somewhere along the way they got abandoned,
fired from their job, lost by their mother, their sister/brother hates them,
the girls/guys don't find them appealing, or when they were a kid their
puppy did'nt play with them..whatever....they must have some kind of
attention to prove to themselves they are worthy or important.

"Franks' use the 'right of free speech' and a computer as a bandaide to
hide their mental and social disorders so they can excercise it on people
whom they never met or know.
They care little about the hurt they cause, interupting civil exchanges.
They only care about themselves. Much like a sociopath who can justify
anything.
If they are not on the internet excercising their disorder (Note: not
free speech..this has nothing to do with 'free speech', it's about a mental
abberation they are displaying.), then you can find them on the CB, Ham
radio on 40 and 75 meters, your local tavern or the busy body next door who
knows when you leave or come home.. Every community has at least one.
...you know them..the ones who rant, butt in..generally obnoxious little
people who got their milk money taken from them at school when they were
little and never got over it..
"Franks' are compulsive disorder types who has to have the world their
way. They won't step on cracks. Have to have their towels folded a certain
way. A rigid personality that if one little thing is out of place, then the
world will end..at least their world.
They must 'prove' some obscure point or their world will crumble. They
will argue about a point that has no relevence in their real lives, only in
their fantasy world where they are, or think they are in control.
Franks basically fall into two main catorgories.
The first type of 'Frank' are called "trolls'..these people know they
are obnoxious and as said earliar, looking for attention. They make
outragous or inflamatory statements to get a response. Simply because, they
cannot interact in the real world. If you met a "troll' (I have..), he is a
dismal little person with no life. Shy..reclusive..few if any friends..
He would never say what he does on the interent to a 'real' person. He
excercises his disorder on the internet, in his fantasy world. We have all
seen them on CB. The mouthy guy.
But when you track him down, he is a little guy, has'nt taken a shower
in a week, his girl left him and is working at the local car wash. You feel
so sorry for him, you give him $10.00 and leave. You pray his bad luck is
not contagous..: )

The secound type of "Frank' are serious about their 'beliefs' in that
they display their compulsive disorder by making wild claims or 'polices'
groups. Their rants can range from Government coverups, CIA is watching
them..(or you..), UFO's are after them, CB's are evil, God is bad, there is
no God, the Teletubbies are gay and are after your children.
They spend an outragous amount of time arguing about something with
absolutely no relevence in the real world. Because if they don't, something
bad will happen. At least that is what they believe.
The secound type of 'Frank' is far more dangerous then the 'troll'.
The secound type 'Frank' actually 'believes' his rant and end up as Postal
Workers..: P

Again, I am not being mean to 'Frank'..

'Franks' are a sad truth about the internet. The good thing is we have
'filters' and 'killfiles' to delete these 'Franks' to make our day alittle
more enjoyable so we can talk to people and exchange ideas. You may do so if
you have "Outlook' under "Message'..

The reason to use killfiles is not because your being mean, or don't want to
read his 'free speech'. The reason is 'Franks' are annoying and have little
to contribute. And since it is a disorder we do not want to enable them thus
causing their condition to worsen.

I have just added another 'Frank' to my killfile..





"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
In , "RASTA"
wrote:

For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see
(hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're
chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random
bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know
where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio
subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was
on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and
Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.
Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
future for CB radio.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often.
Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks
want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the
newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that
our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio
conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for
skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.








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Thansk for saying dat'.
These purest guardians and their poor subjects need to
be sent packin'.

I will still key when I want to and talk where ever I can get to.
Who cares.........

The2x4


"RASTA" wrote in message
. ..
For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see
(hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're
chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random
bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and
Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often.
Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks
want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio
conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for
skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

I will still key when I want to and talk where ever I can get to.
Who cares.........


Oh yeah with whatever it takes to get there!
The2x4

Frank Gilliland wrote in message . ..
In , "RASTA"
wrote:

For the amount of years I've spent here on this NG, I have yet to see (hear)
the bandwidth cleaned up. More truckers are getting hired, more
neighborhood idiots are still throwing "10-95's" while you're chit-chatting,
newer people are skip talking... what good is arguing here gonna do for
cleaning up the band?

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works; whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Should I answer that?

Don't need to.

This NG is saved for open conversation about CB radio. Not random bashing.
Everybody wants to know how to mod a radio. Everybody wants to know where
to purchase an amplifier. Everybody wants to know antenna efficiency and
coax lengths. Is this breaking the law? NO! Discussing CB radio subject
matter doesn't constitute the individual breaking any laws.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence. This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Know what the funny thing is? I only know of "1" (one) person that was on
this NG that got turned in to the FCC. The rest is still keying down.
Imagine that! With the rants of Leland, Doug, Frank, George, Ric and Dave,
it ain't doing no good for these guys. Even when they go to there graves
(like Ric), ain't nothing gonna change.

That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other plans.
Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a bright
future for CB radio.

AKC??? You're wasting your time. You guys need to get out more often. Go
play with your radio or something. Take it to the streets if you folks want
something to happen. Don't bring it here to the NG. No one cares about
your rants. Look at the past 8 years since I've been here. Nothing
changed!

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer control the
newsgroup. Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds. More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I will still be here, in the background looking for CB radio conversations.
I will still key the mobile on the air and I will still be looking for skip
from elsewhere. We ain't going anywhere... we will still be here. Good
luck "AKC" in your endeavors... its like trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup. Take care...

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.








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mr gilliland............most of the people using amps and using cb
radios..........they don't even get on here nor do they know about
this newsgroup.........hell....most of them can't even use a
computer..........so please .......this newsgroup does not affect
anyone's behavior in the least..........that argument is falacious and
the only damn reason you say that is to justify your silly pitiful
behavior.........grow up and get a life pal................

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.


Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
needed.


First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."


The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?


So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
would asked for one...

..
That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.

YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!


Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
future for CB radio.

As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
anarchy?


Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the newsgroup.

WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
"baby-killer" now? I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
Sheesh...


Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
no one ever dies... they just multiply.


Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.

I knew you were gonna say that... have a good day.

There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their
adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94%
of all the posts on here.

I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio......

The2x4

"RASTA" wrote in message
. ..
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted

In , "RASTA"
wrote:

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .

Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.

Is that why you are arguing with me now? Was the purpose of your original post
in this thread to discuss "CB radio information"? Practice what you preach.

Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
needed.

Of course this information can't be supressed. But it -can- be evaluated for
it's technical validity. For example, "swang" is a new word for an old concept:
DSBRC (Double-SideBand Reduced Carrier), a mode given up over half a century ago
because it causes more problems than it solves. So when a CB newbie listens to
some dummy talking about 'bird-watts', don't you think he would like to know the
truth of the matter? Of course he would, and that's all I'm doing. It's the
"golden-screwdriver" techs that spread this 'information', and instead of
supressing it, I just tell what the 'information' really means so the CBer can
make an informed decision as to whether or not to trash his radio.

First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."

I think you are taking the word "goals" to the extreme -- I merely meant that if
a person wants more from radio than what the CB has to offer then he has three
choices: 1) Memorize the question pool and get a license; 2) Operate illegally;
or 3) Find another hobby. And no, the information isn't going away, but as I
said before, that 'information' is incomplete. If the CBer knows all the facts
then he can make a decision that's better for both him and the band.

The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?

Since you brought it up, speeding isn't a federal offense and doesn't carry a
maximum fine of $17,000. That may scare some, while it may be nothing more than
a financial risk to others. But it's DEFINITELY something that everyone should
know BEFORE they make that decision.

So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
would asked for one...

There have been MANY technical discussions here that haven't become a thread
about legalities. But you are right, many technical discussions do end up about
legalities. Why? I'll tell you...

Just for the sake of argument, just how technical can CB get? I mean, the CB is
a radio service that was intended to have minimal technical requirements, which
is why there is no license (and when a license was required in the past it
required no test of technical competence). Just hook up the power, run the
antenna, plug in the mic and you're working (and to think that some people make
that their hobby...LOL!). Yet most technical discussions seem to be about swang,
bird-watts, keydowns, amps, flame-throwing antennas and being as loud as
possible. IOW, most of the technical topics here focus around -illegal- CB, and
that's why legal issues come up so often.

Slightly OT, why does everything here have to be about technical topics? How
about making a hobby of COMMUNICATING on the CB? About the only posts made in
this newsgroup even remotely close to -that- topic are Twisty's DX reports.
Doesn't anybody think about what's possible with CB radio? Like, how about
setting up CB broadcasts for Amber Alerts, or organizing networks for public
events? When was the last time you saw any mention of the REACT program in this
newsgroup? :end rant

.
That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.

YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!

If I bother you that much then maybe you should take a break from the newsgroups
for a while.

Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
future for CB radio.

As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
anarchy?

Your choice to believe that CB is in a state of anarchy is nothing but a
precursor to that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse I mentioned before.

Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the newsgroup.

WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
"baby-killer" now?

WHOA there butthole, where did I say anything about being a "baby-killer"? You
need to take a step back (and probably a Valium).

I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
Sheesh...

If you are so stupid that you can't handle the unbelievably simple requirements
to get a license and operate legally, then could give a **** about your "hobby".

Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
no one ever dies... they just multiply.

I don't suppose you have ever heard of the Anasazi....

Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.

I knew you were gonna say that...

RASTA, the Keyclown Psychic.

have a good day.

I usually do.







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In , "The2x4"
wrote:

There are less than a dozen purest guardians and their
adversaries so it won't fill up your killfile. They produce 95.94%
of all the posts on here.

I'm with you RASTA, I just want to discuss radio......

The2x4

It's good to see that you have recovered from your drunken rampage through the
newsgroups yesterday.





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