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![]() "jim" wrote in message ... actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway). better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? You would then be under the jurisdiction of whatever radio authority covers Bermuda. Aren't they a British colony? The UK Radio Authority is much more harsh than the FCC. do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... Actually, yes. The treaties for use of various frequencies are there to protect all the various countries that are signatories to them. The Canadians are pretty hard on pirates (though they also have some rules in place to give greater latitude on some bands than we do). I don't know what communications law is like in Mexico, but I imagine that they deal with people operating out of band/off channel too. |
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![]() "jim" wrote in message ... wrote: "Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband. If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I, especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them? I've been a so-called "freebander" since the late sixties but rarely for DX. The primary reason I talked outside of allotted frequencies was for privacy or to contact a specific distant station I wouldn't normally hear on the allotted band. We used to run Ch. 16 -5khz down and 15A a RC Channel running slightly above stock power on 3-4 element directional and easily talk 75-100 miles. I spoke all over the world with better than 1000 confirmed QSL contacts from a slightly peaked Golden Eagle Mark III/IV running through a 4 beam element at 60 feet from Central NJ. actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... There are international treaties also that regulate such things. So just floating out to Bermuda doesn't help. |
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![]() Brenda Ann wrote: "jim" wrote in message ... actually a good point. if i were to use the freq's the u.s. gov said i can then what is the problem with slipping +/- 5kc's between 'channels'? is that freebanding? The frequencies that the US govt. says you can are those specific frequencies that constitute the 40 standard CB channels. The distance away from the center of any channel is tightly regulated, and you can't be more than 0.005% away from that center (~1.3 KHz), which is actually pretty broad when compared to say, broadcast AM, which is only allowed a 20 Hz leeway). that is what the u.s. gov proclaims. my point is they have no say so outside territorial waters. whether or not the gov abides by itu standards on this matter is open. better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. please point out the constitutional section you mentioned. if i were to float out to bermuda and xmit would i be freebanding there? You would then be under the jurisdiction of whatever radio authority covers Bermuda. Aren't they a British colony? The UK Radio Authority is much more harsh than the FCC. right, the RA is tough. easier to monitor 65+/- million than appr 300 million do our friends to the north and south really care what the fcc says what americans can/cannot do? not likely.... Actually, yes. The treaties for use of various frequencies are there to protect all the various countries that are signatories to them. The Canadians are pretty hard on pirates (though they also have some rules in place to give greater latitude on some bands than we do). I don't know what communications law is like in Mexico, but I imagine that they deal with people operating out of band/off channel too. treaties not withstanding have you heard 10 & 11 meters recently? the developing world is looking for the cheapest way to communicate with their expatriates (sp?) in the u.s. one way to do it is using a setup that after an initial outlay for equipment is basically free. their problem is propagation not the gov. |
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Forge, not from
"Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband. If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I, especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them? Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us. No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Article poste via Voila News - http://www.news.voila.fr Le : Sun Nov 2 20:38:59 2003 depuis l'IP : aca3688f.ipt.aol.com [VIP 532284301978] |
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In , jim wrote:
snip better yet, who the hell is the u.s. gov to tell me what is legal or not? If you are a US citizen, they are granted that right by the constitution, and by treaty. please point out the constitutional section you mentioned. Article VI. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Landshark" wrote:
Forge, not from What are you Twistedheds yes man? "Twistedhed" wrote in message ... Organized, long term freebanders are very aware where they operate and take great measure to ensure against talking on an amateur f requency or one that isn't heavily used on the freeband. If the non-U.S. stations can operate ssb there, why shouldn't I, especially if I want to have a nice DX contact with one of them? Many of us LIKE the law as it is, it keeps "yes men" off the freqs. Same analogy as the gun issue...when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns...no, yoo won't find many freebanders lobbying fo r change to open the freqs because the law as it reads, doesn't bug us. No rationalization is even needed except to reply to folks that repeatedly ask over and over, "Why?" It is these folks that feel they need a reason why we do what we do, not us. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Article poste via Voila News - http://www.news.voila.fr Le : Sun Nov 2 20:38:59 2003 depuis l'IP : aca3688f.ipt.aol.com [VIP 532284301978] |
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![]() just make it worse for every body next thing you know they'll require a digatal id on all transmitters or they'll be terrorist and arrested without due process. I take it you haven't heard of transmitter fingerprinting then? http://www.motron.com/TransmitterID.html |
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Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote in message
. .. Twistedhed wrote in message ... Don't wrap yourself up in that "free spirit" crap. You're breaking the law and disrupting the use of the spectrum. They are also forging and muck stirring... that was not "Twistedhed" and it did not come through WebTV as the person would have you think... Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news-front1.voila.fr X-Trace: news.x-echo.com 1067801939 1725 195.101.94.106 (2 Nov 2003 19:38:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: These people are purposely forging and cross posting in an attempt to start flame wars and Ham vs CB wars. Sometimes they post messages against illegal use, other times they post messages praising it - using different names and forges. It's just a childish game. Regards, Peter. |
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